re: Question: How is Vandy out-recruiting LSU in baseball?

No doubt private schools have a big edge.

I have wondered why LSU had no left handed pitchers this season and hope measures will be taken to address that.

Oops, did see a separate thread for that.

It’s also a well known fact, a Cain connection on the JUCO trail called him and told him about Garza. I don’t think it’s Pawl’s fault for not knowing a kids at a small JUCO 50 miles from the Mexican border

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Out-recruited or out-coached?

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Out recruited and out coached. FIFY

Because of the whistler. Kids like that

I live in BR and I love living here because I’m from here but if I’m not from Louisiana and I have a choice between living in BR or Nashville and be a 18-22 in shape college baseball player. Nashville is not a bad place to spend 4 years.

Incorrect

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I'd like to have some real, actual info on what Vanderbilt as a University actually allows its baseball program to "hand out" in full scholarships to baseball players.

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Three things: need-based aid, merit-based scholarships, and HOPE scholarships.

To start, Vanderbilt tuition + fees is roughly $50k/year compared to roughly $12k/year (in-state) or $30k/year (out-of-state) at LSU.

However, like many top-tier universities Vanderbilt now offsets tuition based on “expected family contribution”. Basically the actual tuition owed is determined on a sliding scale based on means. There is a calculator on their website but here’s a test case: For a family bringing in $100k/year with a modest home still being paid off, the actual tuition owed drops to about $19k/year. This puts Vanderbilt below LSU’s out-of-state tuition for kids from middle-class families, and this financial aid does not count towards baseball scholarship limits unless the student is also receiving an athletic scholarship. Note that if the family’s income is below $80k or so then Vanderbilt’s tuition actually drops below LSU’s in-state tuition.

So now after financial aid for a middle class family, the score is:
- Vanderbilt: $19k/year
- LSU: $12k/year (in-state) / $30k/year (out-of-state)
Any additional need-based financial aid (grants, loans, etc.) is calculated the same for either school as far as scholarship count.

Next, merit-based scholarships: Being a smaller private university, Vanderbilt has a lot more leeway with how they award academic scholarships compared to a public school like LSU. For example, they can take more of a case-by-case approach and, potentially, skirt NCAA rules. I’m not saying they do this, but they certainly could. LSU’s academic scholarship programs, on the other hand, are largely awarded based on preset criteria.

Lastly, HOPE awards (TN equivalent of TOPS). Tennessee students attending Vanderbilt are eligible for HOPE scholarships, just like Louisiana kids can get a TOPS award to go to Tulane. Last I checked, TOPS is worth roughly $7,400/year while the Tennessee HOPE grants are worth roughly $4k/year. Again, this does not affect scholarship counts.

That brings the new total to:
- Vanderbilt: $15k/year (in-state) / $19k/year (out-of-state)
- LSU: $4,600/year (in-state) / $30k/year (out-of-state)

Keep in mind that we are really talking about the top-tier out of state talent. Also keep in mind that while I used a family earning $100k a year as a test case, Vanderbilt’s tuition is on a sliding scale. So less family income increases that advantage while more income decreases it.

Now the caveat is that Vanderbilt’s financial aid counts towards the athletic scholarship count if a player also receives a baseball scholarship. So if a kid is receiving $30k/year in financial aid on top of $12.5k/year (25%) baseball scholarship, he is actually counted as a ~73% baseball scholarship. So they probably aren’t going to do that unless they have to. But it does allow Vanderbilt a lot more flexibility with how they offer baseball scholarships.

Example 1: A kid from a family making $100k/year can go to LSU for $23k/year on a 25% baseball scholarship or go to Vandy for $20k/year on financial aid alone. Vandy can now use that 25% on someone else.

Example 2: A kid from a family making $80k/year can go to LSU for $15k/year on a 50% baseball scholarship or go to Vandy for $12k/year on financial aid alone. Vandy can now use that 50% on someone else.

Example 3: A kid from an upper-middle class family can go to LSU for $15k/year on a 50% baseball scholarship but would be more expensive at Vandy because he doesn’t qualify for as much financial aid. Vandy now offers him a 75% scholarship due to the 25% they saved in Example 1, bringing his cost at Vandy to $12,500. Vandy can do this for two more players with the 50% they saved in Example 2.

TL;DR - Yes, they have a scholarship advantage mostly due to a massive endowment allowing them to offer a ton of financial aid. The root cause is less about Vanderbilt doing shady stuff than it is about the BS of “equivalency sports” / Title IX.

Hell of a breakdown man. Thanks for doing that

You two guys going to just keep sucking each other off?

Speaking of questioning anything, we do question CPM downward trend and all we get is his championship from 2009 and name calling.

fact of the matter is we wasted 1.2 million the last two years and it does not seem we are trending up.