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re: Question: How is Vandy out-recruiting LSU in baseball?

Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:32 am to
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:32 am to
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Doesn't it ever enter your little minds to actually question anything?


I agree with what you're saying as it relates to this thread, but this exact same question can be applied to the "apologists" that don't question anything about the state of the program, in any sport, when things aren't great. Someone like you, for example.
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
4160 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:35 am to
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FALSE for athletes


Again, I understand that admissions will lax their standards for athletics; however, a kid with an 850 on his SAT isn't getting into Vanderbilt, no matter how good of a player.

I'm well aware that this isn't baseball related, but Gary Anderson (Utah State head coach, former Wisconsin football coach) is on record expressing his frustration with the University of Wisconsin's high academic standards for athletes. Simply put, despite the lower standards for athletes at Wisconsin, Anderson still couldn't get a lot of players he recruited past admissions and enrolled.

Collegiate baseball may not have to deal with this hurdle as much as football, I honestly have no clue. That said, I still don't believe an elite baseball recruit with a subpar SAT/ACT score is getting into Vanderbilt. Alternatively, LSU, or any other SEC school for that matter, has a much better chance of signing said player. To reiterate, I have no clue if baseball deals with this issue frequently as opposed to football or basketball.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 10:43 am
Posted by lsuohiofan
Alliance,Ohio
Member since Oct 2011
1503 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:40 am to
Because baseball players going to college are after education and Vanderbilt is the IVY league school in the SEC. Baseball is not like football or basketball where most of the highly recruited players think they are going to play in the NBA or NFL. Also, baseball has a different path to the MLB.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21061 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:42 am to
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I agree with what you're saying as it relates to this thread, but this exact same question can be applied to the "apologists" that don't question anything about the state of the program, in any sport, when things aren't great. Someone like you, for example


Great post.
Posted by lsuohiofan
Alliance,Ohio
Member since Oct 2011
1503 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:42 am to
I remember going to a Vanderbilt/LSU football game in Nashville a few years back. We systematically kicked their butts. After the game a car come by us and the students inside yelled out this: You may have beat us in football, but we are going to be doctors and lawyers someday! enough said!
Posted by BillyBowlegs
Ft. Walton Beach FL
Member since Sep 2003
1179 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:57 am to
Right. PCM never recruits out of state. I guess Alex Bregman is from where, Bogalusa or Monroe?

You should be banned for at least 30 days for stupidity.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37086 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:58 am to
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True, but the admissions standards at Vanderbilt are substantially more rigorous than at LSU. Surely a lot of recruits wouldn't qualify for admission, even if Vanderbilt laxes their standards to some degree.



Baseball players are generally smarter than other athletes. That, and reduced standards, work fine.
Posted by KC Tiger
Member since Sep 2006
4617 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:04 am to
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After the game a car come by us and the students inside yelled out this: You may have beat us in football, but we are going to be doctors and lawyers someday! enough said!


Were they middle school students?
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70878 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:05 am to
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If Bertman is in BR, SEC is still lopsided for LSU, Skip had transfers in, with Mainieri they transfer out. I know they didn't sit out with Skip.



LOL, yep, every player that came to LSU under Skip stayed at LSU.


fricking moron.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21061 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:08 am to
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This is not true. Corbin received a 1.2
Million Dollar bonus in 2016 after winning the CWS. That boosted his 2016 income to 2.3 million. He does not get paid a salary of 2.3 Million


I'm sure he got a bonus from winning the CWS, but he probably also got a raise. Nobody can say with any certainty what Corbin makes currently because they don't have to announce it. Only reason people have an idea it's in the 2 mill range is from a tax return. So, stop trying to pretend like you know stuff that nobody knows.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21061 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:10 am to
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If Bertman is in BR, SEC is still lopsided for LSU, Skip had transfers in, with Mainieri they transfer out. I know they didn't sit out with Skip


When you say something as stupid as this you can't be taken seriously. There is a whole list of things to be critical of Mainieri on. This is just plain stupidity though.
Posted by FightinTiga
Pumpkin Center
Member since Feb 2009
20745 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:15 am to
Because Maineri only recruits his type of players
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70248 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:16 am to
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Because Maineri only recruits his type of players


Which are?
Posted by KC Tiger
Member since Sep 2006
4617 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:16 am to
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Nobody can say with any certainty what Corbin makes


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it's in the 2 mill range


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stop trying to pretend like you know stuff that nobody know


Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21061 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:23 am to
Can you not comprehend what I posted? Vandy does not have to post salaries, being a private institution. Those figures were taken from a tax return.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:25 am to
Better school by every measure.

Non MLB prospects get Uber rich contact with alum the rest of their days.
High end education.
Smarter richer coeds.
Mlb prospects get known coach, and exposure.
What's not to like?
Posted by LSUJML
BR
Member since May 2008
45543 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:29 am to
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This is not true. Corbin received a 1.2 Million Dollar bonus in 2016 after winning the CWS. That boosted his 2016 income to 2.3 million. He does not get paid a salary of 2.3 Million.


I never realized that included a CWS bonus

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Vanderbilt’s Tim Corbin: $1,318,162 (pay for 2017 calendar year, according to school’s federal tax records)

LINK
Posted by LSUJML
BR
Member since May 2008
45543 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:34 am to
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Thanks for confirming he is not doing his job.


His job title is head coach
There is already a recruiting coordinator or should he do both jobs?
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
9924 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:38 am to
How does Bama out recruit us in football? How does Kentucky out recruit us in basketball?
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
17886 posts
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:42 am to
I'd like to have some real, actual info on what Vanderbilt as a University actually allows its baseball program to "hand out" in full scholarships to baseball players. The assumption is that these players are not getting an NCAA scholarship, yet somehow qualify for an academic scholarship, all the while getting to skate by with lower admissions standards than the kid they are sitting next to in class.

This all sounds like hearsay; a concocted story to make Vandy look like they can stack a roster full of skilled baseball players getting full academic rides to Vandy while not measuring up to Vandy's average academics. Not likely.

And to the guy who said earlier in this thread that a "50% scholarship at Vanderbilt is worth a hell of a lot more than a 50% scholarship at LSU" -- the reverse of that is also true. Having to pay 50% of the Vanderbilt tuition is a hell of a lot more to pay than 50% of the LSU tuition.

This thread, for the most part, is full of the same baseball apologists who were saying that Skip had it worlds easier than Paul. Keep in mind that Paul has TOPS and Skip didn't (until his last two years). And Skip had to deal with 11.7 scholarships from 1991 on, just like Paul. Only difference is how they can be spread around the roster. Yes, some advantages there for Skip, but nowhere near the difference maker some make it out to be.

No one expects LSU to have the next Skip Bertman, but people need to also stop trying to diminish the level of baseball competition and championship level to detail Skip achieved.

I'm not ready to run Paul, but he needs to start trending up again this year. Maybe LSU needs a pitching science center like Vandy because they seem to be able to keep their pitchers healthy.
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