re: Question: How is Vandy out-recruiting LSU in baseball?

I don't see how the NCAA will look past a private school giving away an unearned academic scholarship but wouldn't look past an public school doing the same thing?

HOPE schollies in Tennessee are NOT nearly as good as in Georgia. To get the grant (around $2K a semester) you have to graduate from a TN HS with a 3.0. That wouldn't go very far at Vandy. And Vandy has players from all over the country.

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Vandy can't just hand out more scholarships to baseball players they like because they're a private school

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They can't hand out more baseball scholarships, but they DO dish out more scholarship money to players (excluding Louisiana kids) than LSU can. This is a fact. I don't know why you are sitting here saying people don't know what they are talking about whenever clearly you are the one that doesn't.

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If they could, schools like Tulane and Rice wouldn't be struggling so much right now

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Those schools could, and I'm sure do to some extent. You think Rice and Tulane have historicaly pretty damn good baseball programs just because? That's two poor examples. TCU is another one. Those schools just don't fully use the resources that Vandy does.

How does the NCAA turn a blind eye to kids with low academics getting scholarships and playing baseball?

Can Vandy say “these scholarships are available to everyone with a 2.5 gpa?”

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Vandy offers this to ALL students. That's how they can get do it legitimately, as far as the NCAA.

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What’s the actual program?

I cant Believe that all their players are 1. Academically worthy of a full scholarship at Vanderbilt (would assume this requires a insane GPS Act/SAT) and/or 2. In such financial difficulties that they deserve a full ride financial need scholarship.

Basically: giving players full rides outside the sport solely so they can play the sport is not a loophole. If just an NCAA violation.

So what are they doing to earn these scholarships that no one is raising a huge stink about it?

Why can’t Notre Dame give out 20 more football scholarships? I guarantee you there are more news based football player claims than baseball players.

That’s need based aid then, not an academic scholarship.

We used to have TOPs. Thanks Jon Bel Edwards

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Have you compared the differences between Baton Rouge and Nashville?

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Yes. Baton Rouge has 6 National Titles and Nashville has 1.

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They can't hand out more baseball scholarships, but they DO dish out more scholarship money to players

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But the baseball playing ability can not factor into the kid getting an academic scholarship. He has to compete with everyone else that wants a scholarship to Vandy and have grades and test scores that reach the same academic standards as everyone else.

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You think Rice and Tulane have historicaly pretty damn good baseball programs just because?

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They happen to play in areas of the country that really care about college baseball and therefore they began putting money and effort into winning baseball games.
Being a private school with a high price tag does way more harm than good unless you have a large endowment and can give need based aid to a large portion of your student body.

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Private schools have a lot higher percentage of the entire student body on scholarship, so the bar to get a legitimate academic scholarship at any private school is generally lower than at a state school. Frankly, this is the only way that most private schools stand any chance in baseball, because most don't have the same kind of cost of attendance regime as Vanderbilt. TCU falls into this category. They build roster depth with a handful of guys on academic scholarships (rather than baseball), then offer slightly higher baseball scholarship percentages to top targets, and hope that the kid is swayed by the "respect" factor ("State School X offered me 50%, but TCU is offering 60%, so they want me more') even though that larger partial scholarship will still cost them (or their parents, more likely) more in overall tuition.

As to Rice, they actually are one of the few that is similar to Vanderbilt. They don't have a Texas scholarship program like HOPE, but other than that, it's pretty similar. The reason they fell into obscurity is that they let Wayne Graham stick around too long. That's not to say that its easy to do what Vandy has done, even with the cost of attendance program (Rice doesn't have competing in the SEC to dangle in front of recruits), but I expect they will get back to being competitive in baseball.

Here is something about which to think. LSU graduates more people in one year than Vanderbilt has undergraduates. We are a rather small public university but with over 26,000 undergraduates, you see where a school with a little over 6,000 undergrads and the 24th largest endowment can offer need based scholarships to all students.
Re the coach, in the 54 rears of the draft, there have been 112 SEC players drafted in the first round and 13.4% of those, 15, have played for Corbin. He tied for the recrord number taken in this year’s draft. He’s also had 2 number ones. No other school except Arizona State(3) has more than one.
By contrast, LSU has had 11 first rounders and most prior to the current coaches and 1 number 1.
I wondered what the rant would be saying if our coach had Cobin’s record with that quality of players?