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re: Pretty tired of the narrative regarding the lack of DL transfers
Posted on 8/13/24 at 12:34 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 8/13/24 at 12:34 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Is it worth it to ruin the locker room by paying a million+ for guys who aren’t statistically worth that?
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Posted on 8/13/24 at 12:36 pm to grizzlylongcut
Cover 3 just hates us, CBK will never get the benefit of the doubt with those absolute clowns.
The sooner you come to that realization the better.
The sooner you come to that realization the better.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 12:38 pm to grizzlylongcut
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But the old trope about not going after guys in the portal is false and tired.
We go after plenty of top dogs, but we sign few. I don't have an issue in theory with BK not wanting to overpay, but he was the one who painted himself in a corner by waiting until the last portal period to address the position. Simple supply and demand at work.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 12:38 pm to cbree88
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Apparently they were good enough because they got what they were asking for from other schools. They were correct about their market value. The market value of something is what the someone is willing to pay for it.
I think what he is saying is LSU didn't think they were good enough to justify agreeing to their demand. Frankly, if Kelly and his staff didn't think they were good enough to justify paying the asking price I applaud Kelly for not "panic buying". In a world where there are no employment contract and very little parameters to prevent players from constantly trying to "renegotiate" their contracts, overpaying for average players could create a big ripple effect on the roster that does nothing but increase the "salary demands". What do you think would happen if guys like Will Campbell or Harold Perkins who had NIL deals of $400,000 saw LSU pay a marginal DL transfer, with far less of a history of production, double what those guys were making? One, they would become aware LSU obviously has more money to spend, and, two, use the new market value to leverage LSU into a larger payday.
Now, if you want to criticize Kelly for maybe not being proactive early enough when he saw DL would be an issue yet waited until after spring to get into the market when supply was low and demand was high, that might be reasonable. But LSU probably wasn't one or two average DTs away from being a championship contender. So grossly overpaying for such at the risk of upsetting the economics of your entire roster probably wasn't a good idea.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 12:39 pm to grizzlylongcut
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weren’t good enough to demand that value
THIS! We'll pay for players who are worth it
Posted on 8/13/24 at 12:43 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I mean the entire post is about how the OP is tired of the disrespect the DL is getting which I don’t get. None of them have proven anything. If they perform well, they will receive praise. If they don’t, they will get criticized.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 12:45 pm to cbree88
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Apparently they were good enough because they got what they were asking for from other schools.
Can’t call it now, they could absolutely not produce this year
Posted on 8/13/24 at 12:52 pm to cbree88
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Apparently they were good enough because they got what they were asking for from other schools.
I mean, history is full of players & coaches who got ridiculous contracts and didn’t pan out. You could write a book about bad contracts in sports.
You’re right that “market value” is whatever someone else is willing to pay. But that doesn’t mean the player is actually worth that market price. It might just mean the highest bidder grossly overpaid.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 12:57 pm to moneyg
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Interpreted another way, “I’m not willing to spend the money needed to dig myself out of the hole I’m in”.
You pay two mediocre tackles that kind of money and the rest of the team comes walking up with their hand out. The money isn’t infinite. They’ve got a budget to stick to. Could they have afforded to pay those guys what they were asking? Probably. Would it have caused more problems than they were worth? Almost assuredly.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 1:08 pm to grizzlylongcut
guess we will find out this fall if it would have been worth overpaying.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 1:19 pm to CottonWasKing
I think the vast majority on here know that long-term, not paying those guys was a smart move. I think the gut punch would be if LSU ends up a game out of the playoff and an extra DL could have made the difference.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 1:22 pm to LSBoosie
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the entire post is about how the OP is tired of the disrespect the DL is getting
Thats certainly not what the OP is about. Its about the criticism that we didn't get any big DL TRANSFERS. And I agree with BKs (and OPs) reasoning that overpaying for average players is worse in the long run for LSU than working with what we have for the time being. Op is frustrated that people are criticizing LSU without any context. As if we could have gotten 2 All American DTs and chose not to.
I would say to OP that expecting non LSU fans to be plugged into our program enough to know the reasoning behind our roster moves is asking a bit much. LSU is a great program but by no means does the college football news cycle revolve around who we sign and our reasonings for it. Media guys are gonna look at the big picture and share an opinion on it. They aren't gonna zoom in on every program and get the little details. In the big picture, it looks ike we ignored a big hole on our team.
This post was edited on 8/13/24 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 8/13/24 at 1:26 pm to WDAIII
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At some point though, we're going to have to pony up and pay market value and not BK's value
Then you have the rest of your D-Line asking for more money as well because you over paid for some slightly above average DL.
Just like in professional free agency some guys get lucky when there are not many available at their position and thus get greatly over valued.
This post was edited on 8/13/24 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 8/13/24 at 1:40 pm to LSBoosie
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I think the vast majority on here know that long-term, not paying those guys was a smart move. I think the gut punch would be if LSU ends up a game out of the playoff and an extra DL could have made the difference.
I think it was a mistake not to land another DT. But it wasn’t a mistake to refuse to pay for those two DTs.
We should’ve paid up in the first window instead of waiting till the spring. We could’ve gotten Walter Nolen for what those spring guys were asking. And that wouldn’t have reset the internal market on your team because he’s proven and worth it.
So if we miss the playoffs because of DT it won’t be because we didn’t pay two mediocre players who were asking too much. It’ll be because we didn’t foresee the market in spring ballooning like it did.
All of this is new and all of this is easy to say in hindsight but I can’t fault Kelly a whole lot for not being able to predict the future in a brand new world.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 1:41 pm to grizzlylongcut
quote:I really hate what college football has become
he’s not paying a million bucks per player in the portal
Posted on 8/13/24 at 1:46 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I'll trust BK and Bo Davis as far as if these guys were worth paying. Not some weekend laptop warriors. They are building the DL talent through recruiting right now and if that means some mediocre DL play this year so be it. But I do think with better coaching and defensive schemes the defense will be better.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 1:49 pm to extremelsu
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podcast-sphere and elsewhere just say “they need DL players and didn’t go get them.” Which is true, to a certain extent. But what they fail to follow up with is the reasoning given by Kelly regarding that topic
gotta listen to better podcasters
As somebody who listens to A LOT of college football podcasts, I gotta say, jsut about everyone is saying the same thing about us. "Better" podcasters aren't really deviating.
Solid Verbal, SZD, Cover 3, Until Saturday, Josh Pate, Unnecessary Rough, pretty much all of them have the same narrative about us. And I'm listening closely to that commentary specifically because it's my team.
Everyone re: LSU 2024 thinks the offense will take a step back (loss of JD, MN, and BTJ) and defense will be better but not great (DL being the main concern).
Posted on 8/13/24 at 2:02 pm to LSBoosie
quote:my response to that would be-
I’m asking you why you think they will be better. We have better coaching but worse personnel. You can’t just say “they can’t be worse” because they can.
the scheme should be a lot better and allow for players to do what they can do. Last year's "scheme", if you can even call it that, slowed everyone down.
Individual guys may not be as good as, say, Mehki Wingo, but the overall squad performance should be better.
We did not have a defensive line coach last year. For awhile, it was done by committee with other position coaches, then we brought an 80 yr old out of retirement in desperation just to teach basics and run drills. Pete Jenkins may be good, but wasn't involved in the actual defensive scheme they designed, and he was brought in on the fly.
This year it's different. We have 2 guys working with the D line from the start, Bo Davis and Kevin Peoples (Peoples is doing Edge rushers, so that's going to be DE's and linebackers). That's a lot of emphasis on beating the O Line.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 2:04 pm to WDAIII
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At some point though, we're going to have to pony up and pay market value and not BK's value
There’s always a fool willing to overpay. That doesn’t determine market value.
Posted on 8/13/24 at 2:35 pm to LSBoosie
Is having guys better than Wingo and Jefferson the only way for the D to be better? Is individual play the ONLY way? Or is it possible that better schemes, better team play, and better LB and DB play results in a better D? Is that at all possible or even probable?
This post was edited on 8/13/24 at 3:27 pm
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