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re: Playoff to be Expanded to 12 teams by 2023
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:04 am to Paul Allen
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:04 am to Paul Allen
quote:Once they announced it would only be 4 teams is when it lost its luster on me. If you're going to do a playoff, do it right. Should be 8 teams max.
Which is crazy considering how many people lobbied and wanted a playoff system for decades.
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Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:05 am to Tigerlaff
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You almost want to be at 1 loss and #2 in the west. Avoid the conference championship, still make the playoffs, and get a first round game at home.
This is exactly why this idea sucks.
No. #2 in the west won't get a bye in the playoff. Better to play the conference championship and then get 2-3 weeks off than to have to play an extra week in the playoff.
You look at a team like the 2006 team, and they could do well in a playoff and potentially win the whole thing. That team had 2 tough losses, but one more loss might have eliminated them from a 12 team playoff. They essentially had nothing to play for after losing to top ranked Florida. The playoff would have made the last part of the season much more meaningful for LSU and probably 20 other teams.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:19 am to Jax-Tiger
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No. #2 in the west won't get a bye in the playoff. Better to play the conference championship and then get 2-3 weeks off than to have to play an extra week in the playoff
yeah a 10-2 LSU team won’t get a bye but they can host a playoff game which is better than playing for the Citrus Bowl in Orlando
Bring schools like Washington or Penn State down to Baton Rouge for a playoff game! Shitttt
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:24 am to Jax-Tiger
When was the last time any team ranked above 6 had a legit argument for playoff inclusion?
Usually the argument is for 1 team, maybe 2. Usually it's difficult to make the case for 4 teams.
Should've been 6 or 8 max. Having 6 would've been 5 conference champs, with 1 at large. Top two get a bye.
When was the last time more than 1 non-champion deserved inclusion?
It's a money grab, which is cool, just admit it. This is also kow-towing to the shitty conferences who were being left behind.
The Pac-10 was worried about still being left out at 8, which would've been devastating.
The could still get left out at 12.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 9:29 am to LSUTIGERS8181
I think teams past the top 4 are very rarely capable of winning it all. I do think, however, this would've benefitted LSU in the past.
I think 2001 and 2006 could've beaten anyone by season's end. Although, 2001 finished 13 in the BCS in the regular season, so likely would not have qualified, depending on new criteria.
I think 2001 and 2006 could've beaten anyone by season's end. Although, 2001 finished 13 in the BCS in the regular season, so likely would not have qualified, depending on new criteria.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 12:26 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Agree 12 seems to just be a money grab and is just crazy.
No one outside of top 5 much less the top 8 have a shot.
No one outside of top 5 much less the top 8 have a shot.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 12:30 pm to LSUTIGERS8181
This isn't basketball or baseball. The top teams will roll over the 9-12 seeds. Bama vs. Penn St? Yawn. Clemson vs. Pac 12 champ...boring.
This does help the SEC...a lot. SEC should have 4-5 teams in it per year.
This does help the SEC...a lot. SEC should have 4-5 teams in it per year.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 12:40 pm to Big Gorilla
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This does help the SEC...a lot. SEC should have 4-5 teams in it per year.
It may also force Notre Dame's hand and push them to join a conference. Under this format, they will never be able to finish higher than the #5 seed and will never have a first round bye.
Posted on 6/11/21 at 11:46 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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When was the last time any team ranked above 6 had a legit argument for playoff inclusion?
I just don’t get this point of view. Teams ranked above 6 don’t have an argument for inclusion in a 4 team playoff. Just like teams ranked above 3 rarely had an argument for inclusion in the BCS national championship game.
It’s all arbitrary. If the #1 and #2 seeds are that much better than the pack, they will roll over everyone. Plus they get a first round bye anyway. And if they aren’t, or if another team gets hot, maybe there’s an upset.
This idea that we should only be giving a shot to the teams who have a legitimate claim at #1 or #2 is a byproduct of the poll era. And I get that a lot of folks see that era as the glory days of college football. But once you separate yourself from that idea, you realize that it’s really just a matter of deciding what arbitrary number of playoff teams is best for the sport as a whole.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 7:34 am to sunnydaze
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Won’t last long after it’s 4 SEC teams in the final 4
Only once. That will cost them money.
They will then change the rules or instruct officials to take control.
Can't wait for the bidding war for top athletes.
Wonder if a draft for HS athletes is in our future?
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:10 am to LSUTIGERS8181
This would be a huge mistake. It would get a bunch of currently discouraged fanbases engaged again for a few years; but by the time they realized they still had no chance challenging regular inter-conference games will have already become taboo as they threaten teams' pristine resumes.
With a bracket that big, no undefeated Power-5 conference champ is getting rejected, ever. So, why should they bother with quality schedules for the regular season? It will stop happening. The networks that are happy to bring us quality inter conference match ups during the regular season (that they know will attract viewers) won't be as excited to show us P5 teams steam rolling the Blind Sisters of the Poor PreFlight Academy. That means less football on TV over the long haul.
All for what? So that a bunch of borderline pretenders can exposed in January instead of September. How is this better?
With a bracket that big, no undefeated Power-5 conference champ is getting rejected, ever. So, why should they bother with quality schedules for the regular season? It will stop happening. The networks that are happy to bring us quality inter conference match ups during the regular season (that they know will attract viewers) won't be as excited to show us P5 teams steam rolling the Blind Sisters of the Poor PreFlight Academy. That means less football on TV over the long haul.
All for what? So that a bunch of borderline pretenders can exposed in January instead of September. How is this better?
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:22 am to Woodreaux
12 is 4 too many.
This should be it:
5 P5 Conference Champs: P12, B12, B10, ACC, SEC
1 spot for highest rated G5 team
2 at large
This should be it:
5 P5 Conference Champs: P12, B12, B10, ACC, SEC
1 spot for highest rated G5 team
2 at large
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:48 am to lostinbr
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. BUT a 12 team playoff absolutely reduces the chances that #1 or #2 will win every year, which hopefully makes the game less stale.
But wasn’t this the point of the BCS and the four team playoff.
To guarantee that the two best teams in the country would have an opportunity to win the championship.
Not voted in by the AP.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:04 am to lostinbr
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This idea that we should only be giving a shot to the teams who have a legitimate claim at #1 or #2 is a byproduct of the poll era.
No one is saying that. But you shouldn’t be in a playoff with virtually no chance to win.
They have struggled to get 4 legit teams in the past. Getting 8 would’ve been very difficult. Getting 12 will be a joke. There will be 3 loss teams in the playoffs. Occasionally 4 loss teams.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:43 am to Datbayoubengal
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Once they announced it would only be 4 teams is when it lost its luster on me. If you're going to do a playoff, do it right. Should be 8 teams max.
I’m amazed at the fans that want to keep this at a ridiculously low level. Ever other college/professional sports has a significantly larger playoff amount of teams. Have to keep regular season games meaningful. 2/4 teams playoffs doesn’t do that. If anything you need to go more like 16. FCS football has 24. It keeps most of the teams in the mix for the majority of the season. Good/great players want a shot at the top of the mountain.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:57 am to da prophet
I feel like with 12 it devalues the confrence championship game to the point to where you would prefer not to play it. Give your team more time to rest and avoid injury before playoffs. I also think you will see more bias in the polls as media will push for higher ratings of non SEC teams to insure the playoffs aren't composed of half of the SEC. The only benefit as it will cut down the Opt outs.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:01 am to tiger perry
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LSU could be in almost yearly
You would think, except looking back on the last 7 years, the only other year LSU would have gotten in to a 12 team playoff other than 2019 would have been in 2018 as an 11th seed.
2014, 2015, 2016, 2017....we would have been sitting at home, even with a 12 team playoff. 2019 was ridiculous, but other than that we've been quite mediocre over the last 7 years.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 1:50 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Truly stupid. They can barely field a competitive 4-team playoff every few years.
This was always my objection to expanding the playoff field. Rarely are there more than 3-4 NC worthy teams. But at this point I don’t care anymore. I’m bored with the same teams every year and it just can’t possibly be good for the health of the game. Yes those same teams will still be in it and still win it, but opening the field at least gives us the chance of some upsets or at least good games. Some fresh faces.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 1:54 pm to Cs
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You would think, except looking back on the last 7 years, the only other year LSU would have gotten in to a 12 team playoff other than 2019 would have been in 2018 as an 11th seed.
Truth. Although going back further LSU gets a bunch of teams in from 2001-2010. But…I don’t think 2007 wins a playoff tournament. Although 2006 might’ve. 2011 would’ve ended the same way. 2005 was always going to be either USC or Texas as those teams were above the rest.
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