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re: Ok, for all you baseball savants...
Posted on 4/8/26 at 11:47 am to TigerLunatik
Posted on 4/8/26 at 11:47 am to TigerLunatik
quote:in my opinion/experience, it’s very much something you can control/learn. As I said before movement on the ball is dictated by grip, arm angle and wrist movement.
I think throwing with movement really is more of a natural thing. I got a lot of people out when I was a teenager just throwing hard because I had natural movement. I wasn't trying to do that.
Some people (you’re one of them) have a “natural” throwing motion that includes arm angle/wrist action that puts movement on the ball when you throw. It’s typically found more often in lefty’s. Just like you would have to make some tweaks to keep the ball straight when you throw, many people have to make those tweaks in the opposite direction to create movement.
When you start scaling up to the college level it just becomes more difficult. Instead of a 5’10 pitcher throwing 85 with 4 inches of run, you have a 6’5 pitcher throwing 96 with 8 inches of run. Every little piece of the pitchers mechanics become magnified. It’s why tall pitchers struggle more than shorter pitchers.
Every pitcher on the staff can throw strikes. But as we saw last night, even SWAC teams will rock your shite if all you can mange is a flat 95mph fastball.
I was by no means a great college player, but even I could get my foot down and smash some flat mid 90s fastballs.
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Posted on 4/8/26 at 11:53 am to pgaddxn
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….their mental state….
Here’s a hint….soft as baby crap.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 11:54 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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in my opinion/experience, it’s very much something you can control/learn
Well, I would definitely defer to your experience over mine as a 15-16 year old just throwing as much gas as possible.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 12:08 pm to Havoc
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And I’m sure that’s CJJ’s strategy for handling it with these midweek games. Get them out there under pressure and see who meets the challenge.
Lachenmayer went in to the game Sunday, hit the batter & was pulled
Went in to the game last night, hit the batter & was pulled
Not saying it was right or wrong to pull him but 2 bad outings where he immediately made a mistake & was pulled isn’t great for his confidence
On the other hand Theo did very well as did Garcia
Really hoping Theo continues to have good outings, we have already seen what Garcia can do
Posted on 4/8/26 at 12:16 pm to TigerLunatik
I appreciate that but I’m no expert 
I pitched and played catcher in high school, but once I got to college I only caught. No matter my mechanics and understanding, I couldn’t close the gap on the raw physical side. You can only generate so much force when you’re 5’9
I had the movement and location, but at the end of the day an 87mph fastball is an 87 mph fastball
I pitched and played catcher in high school, but once I got to college I only caught. No matter my mechanics and understanding, I couldn’t close the gap on the raw physical side. You can only generate so much force when you’re 5’9
I had the movement and location, but at the end of the day an 87mph fastball is an 87 mph fastball
This post was edited on 4/8/26 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 4/8/26 at 12:18 pm to SouthernInsanity
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for all you baseball savants...
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Posted on 4/8/26 at 12:24 pm to LSUJML
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challenge. Lachenmayer went in to the game Sunday, hit the batter & was pulled Went in to the game last night, hit the batter & was pulled Not saying it was right or wrong to pull him but 2 bad outings where he immediately made a mistake & was pulled isn’t great for his confidence
Well it’s sink or swim at this point, especially in these NIL days. Better to expose flaws now than later when we may really be in a crunch.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 12:27 pm to SouthernInsanity
Watching from a distance- it’s too much stuff and not enough pitch ability/ command. This is not just an LSU issue either. Across baseball these things are prevalent:
1. Reliable pitching depth is severely lacking. Few teams have a pen they can trust
2. Catching is abysmal!!
LSU is struggling with both of those AND
1- they can’t play catch ( defense)
2- not enough of either situational hitting or power. Gotta have at least one of those two to win consistently
1. Reliable pitching depth is severely lacking. Few teams have a pen they can trust
2. Catching is abysmal!!
LSU is struggling with both of those AND
1- they can’t play catch ( defense)
2- not enough of either situational hitting or power. Gotta have at least one of those two to win consistently
Posted on 4/8/26 at 12:28 pm to Quatre Pot
The midweek bullpen is awful
Posted on 4/8/26 at 1:19 pm to LSUJML
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Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:19 am to HvacGoon
Thought you were done posting about baseball
Posted on 4/8/26 at 1:24 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Thats very fair so let me clarify a bit None of it is easy, but if the big three, speed and movement are easier to create than location.
And location becomes much more critical as you attempt to move up the ranks. When you watched guys like Glavine and Maddox, you realize how important it is. They lived off location.
One of the first things we teach kids that have proven they can consistently throw strikes is how to create movement on a fastball. The simple first step is changing from four to two seams, but then you have to master the location of a different fastball. Then you can teach the cutter by teaching them to place more pressure on the ball with the middle finger. That allows you to make the ball sail away from a right-handed batter and in on a left-handed batter. But it always comes back to being able to locate the pitch.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 1:26 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
I can say that I know of multiple pitchers that have been recruited on metrics alone. There isn’t a metric on being a gamer. These guys pitch high school ball and when on are unhittable, when off still plenty good enough with hs umps.
Some throw a lot of innings in elite summer ball, some limited innings in showcases.
It’s a lot easier to go full out for two innings against guys getting their a plus swings off than it is to pitch situationally
Some throw a lot of innings in elite summer ball, some limited innings in showcases.
It’s a lot easier to go full out for two innings against guys getting their a plus swings off than it is to pitch situationally
Posted on 4/8/26 at 1:43 pm to pgaddxn
LSU predominantly recruits big arms, high velocity pitchers.
I assume they think they can teach them how to pitch. Ritzy is a prime example but sadly, he and others like this, are not learning a thing about how to pitch from Yeskie. I wish they would recruit pitchers like the Bethune pitcher. He made our best hitters look silly with the bases loaded.
Maybe it will work out like last year, but this is beginning to look like a complete missed year with the pitching staff/pitching coach.
I assume they think they can teach them how to pitch. Ritzy is a prime example but sadly, he and others like this, are not learning a thing about how to pitch from Yeskie. I wish they would recruit pitchers like the Bethune pitcher. He made our best hitters look silly with the bases loaded.
Maybe it will work out like last year, but this is beginning to look like a complete missed year with the pitching staff/pitching coach.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 2:57 pm to LSUJML
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Not claiming to be a baseball savant at all but my opinion is the pitching issues are 95% mental
That is something coaching can’t fix
Ahh mental for sure but there are a few with severe mechanical issues like rizzy. It is alot more challenging mechanic wise when you are 6'9". But yea i agree i think they are pressing on wanting to be perfect instead of trying to put the ball over the plate and let the defense work. Also doesnt help when you are someone like Dathe that comes in and gets a routine ground ball botched and then get yanked.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:18 pm to SouthernInsanity
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Is it coaching or the fact that they aren't anything more than a roster spot? Some of them look like they haven't done any work before warming up and walking out on the mound.
To quote the great Yogi B… loosely anyway.
“Pitching is 50% talent and 80% mental”
Posted on 4/8/26 at 5:59 pm to SouthernInsanity
If my memory serves me correctly all but 2 on this staff throw 95+. The downfall of that is by nature power pitchers have more trouble with command, especially at this level and below. It would be nice to have another Cowan or a Hilliard type on this staff that can pound the strike zone regularly but it is not the case. But if you remember correctly, we struggled with our Saturday and Sunday starters as well as key guys in the bullpen hitting their spots in both Championship years all the way to or almost to the Sec Tournament. I am not saying that will happen again, but it definitely can.
Evans has been struggling with location of his fastball when he is off and Will struggles with command of his breaking ball. I believe the furthest he has gotten us is 1/3 into the sixth, being last week. If he could stretch his 90-100 pitches into another inning or two, that can be a big difference in a series. Same said for Evans and it might be wishful thinking but If Moore can get 4+, there is another 6 or 7 innings a weekend and problem pretty much works itself out.
Evans has been struggling with location of his fastball when he is off and Will struggles with command of his breaking ball. I believe the furthest he has gotten us is 1/3 into the sixth, being last week. If he could stretch his 90-100 pitches into another inning or two, that can be a big difference in a series. Same said for Evans and it might be wishful thinking but If Moore can get 4+, there is another 6 or 7 innings a weekend and problem pretty much works itself out.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:17 pm to poncho villa
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Great analysis. tRanters are always screaming, "throw strikes." Then they get pissed when they throw a strike that gets hammered.
It just is probably me but I would rather them hit a fricking grand slam then walk in 3 runs. I understand that is a retarded way of thinking but at least I can respect the hit.
You should respect both because our guys couldn't take a ball from that junk pitcher for shite when the bases were loaded and he wasn't throwing anything near the plate and they just kept swinging at unhittable balls.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 11:55 pm to LSUJML
Boy LSU sure knows how to find the head cases then when it comes to pitchers.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:30 am to poncho villa
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a D1 athlete on the LSU payroll should be able to throw a strike on command.
They all can. The trouble comes when they have to throw that strike on the very edge of the zone otherwise it will go over the fence.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 10:40 am to SouthernInsanity
I would say the majority of it is mental. They've struggled this year, so now they don't trust their stuff.
Evans, Rizy (for example) both performed last year at a high level. I think these pitchers get mentally out of whack when the guy ahead of them can't find the zone the same way "hitting is contagious"
Evans, Rizy (for example) both performed last year at a high level. I think these pitchers get mentally out of whack when the guy ahead of them can't find the zone the same way "hitting is contagious"
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