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re: Ok, for all you baseball savants...

Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:46 am to
Posted by 304tiger
West Virginia
Member since Jan 2022
2572 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:46 am to
Rizy's performance was a little troubling. He's been solid all season and is a guy we can usually rely on.

I thought Sion looked good and needs a look as a mid week starter IMO.

Ricken was fine and is getting better.

I still like Garcia but he got hit more than you'd like to see.

I don't get why Cooper Williams got pulled so fast. I think some of these guys, like Williams, need more time to get their rhythm. Last year, Cooper could give us 3-4 strong innings at a time.
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
7125 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:47 am to
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what's your take on the pitching issues, specifically these midweek slash bullpen arms.


That they won't see meaningful innings after May 5th.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20984 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:53 am to
Growing pains.

Jay is forcing the pitchers to be comfortable coming out of the pen in any situation.

Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
16623 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:55 am to
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what's your take on the pitching issues, specifically these midweek slash bullpen arms.

That’s baseball.
Posted by pgaddxn
between here and there
Member since Jul 2008
1436 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:57 am to
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The difficult part isn’t creating that speed and movement


Speak for yourself. I couldn’t throw it for strikes or balls or wild arse pitches. I could never create movement and velocity together. Controlling it was never an issue for me. It quite plainly didn’t exist.
Posted by Beau Fontenot
Upper Delta
Member since Oct 2018
801 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:58 am to
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Not a savant but unless any of the savants on here are present for these pitchers training and bullpens and practice, how would any of them know? You cannot just watch and then presume to know what their routine or mental state is.


Correct. I've coached pitchers, but you have to work with them every day to know what's really going on. Sometimes it's tweaking a release point or maybe they're not driving their shoulder to the mit. It could be pitch selection at critical points. Not having confidence in throwing their off speed pitch on fastball counts or the inability to hit the right spots at the right time. But if that's the case, the pitcher needs to rely on tweaking their fastball as much as the off speed. It's still the most versatile pitch since you can do so much to change it.

Most of the time it's mental, since these kids can all throw strikes. They wouldn't be at LSU unless they had demonstrated they had the base skills to succeed in the SEC.
Posted by MrKnowItAll
Strop City
Member since Mar 2007
6829 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 10:00 am to
Pitching in midweek games is a Catch 22 for the players and the coach.
If you are pitching good, you get taken out because you can be used on the weekend.
If you are wild the you get taken out because the other team is scoring.
The flow of the game is horrible and they last 4 to 5 hours because of too many pitching changes.
Baseball is a game that needs a flow about it.
Posted by poncho villa
DALLAS
Member since Jul 2010
19118 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 10:09 am to
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Great analysis. tRanters are always screaming, "throw strikes." Then they get pissed when they throw a strike that gets hammered.


It just is probably me but I would rather them hit a fricking grand slam then walk in 3 runs. I understand that is a retarded way of thinking but at least I can respect the hit.
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
12818 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 10:10 am to
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I could never create movement and velocity together. Controlling it was never an issue for me. It quite plainly didn’t exist.
Thats very fair so let me clarify a bit None of it is easy, but if the big three, speed and movement are easier to create than location.

When you are the size of an LSU pitcher, creating the force necessary to throw that hard isn’t the hard part. That comes with their size and proper lower body/core mechanics. Movement on the ball can be created/adjusted through grip, wrist, and arm angle.

When you put the two together, it becomes very difficult to mange the location. The best can do it, but it’s so hard. Throwing a ball at 95 mph with 8-12 inches of movement, and fitting that ball within a roughly 5 inch box (if you hit your spot)

One thing people need to consider as well is how far college pitching has come in such a short time. Back in 2010, if you had a guy who threw 95mph you had a flamethrower on the mound. Now at least half the staff throws 95
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
78306 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 10:10 am to
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It just is probably me but I would rather them hit a fricking grand slam then walk in 3 runs. I understand that is a retarded way of thinking but at least I can respect the hit.


This is why I had no issues with pitching last night until after Theophilus.
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
12818 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 10:13 am to
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It just is probably me but I would rather them hit a fricking grand slam then walk in 3 runs. I understand that is a retarded way of thinking but at least I can respect the hit.
It’s not retarded at all. That’s how the game use to be played. But the game is changing. Pitchers use to pitch to contact and hitters use to hit for contact. Now pitchers are pitching for strikeouts and hitters are hitting for power
Posted by Teauxler
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
3823 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 10:22 am to
FPS% is trash forcing them to keep running with the fastball

Everything is dictated on FPS

As a coach I look at FPS% & FPSO%

The numbers don’t lie
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
47308 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 10:24 am to
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It just is probably me but I would rather them hit a fricking grand slam then walk in 3 runs. I understand that is a retarded way of thinking but at least I can respect the hit.



I get the frustration, but I'd rather neither, and if I have to choose, I'll hold my nose and choose 3 runs over 4 every time.
Posted by pgaddxn
between here and there
Member since Jul 2008
1436 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 10:35 am to
Completely agree with everything stated. You just can’t know unless you are intimate to the situation. At this level it’s not as easy as “this is what he’s doing wrong” and I can see it from the stands.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
32062 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 10:50 am to
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hit a fricking grand slam

As Dizzy Dean once famously said, "that's one way to get out of a jamb."
Posted by Brainwashed890
Member since Nov 2016
246 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 11:17 am to
Ben Mcdonald mentioned early in the year that it looked mechanical, front shoulder opening too early, over throwing , etc. If it is a form/technique issue, you have to raise an eyebrow at Yeskie at this point in the season
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
108651 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 11:21 am to
I think throwing with movement really is more of a natural thing. I got a lot of people out when I was a teenager just throwing hard because I had natural movement. I wasn't trying to do that. Even when I played softball as an adult, the first baseman would always say that catching my throws from 3rd was an adventure because the ball moves all over the place.
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
12376 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 11:23 am to
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It just is probably me but I would rather them hit a fricking grand slam then walk in 3 runs. I understand that is a retarded way of thinking but at least I can respect the hit.

It’s not retarded at all. That’s how the game use to be played. But the game is changing. Pitchers use to pitch to contact and hitters use to hit for contact. Now pitchers are pitching for strikeouts and hitters are hitting for power


I agree with this. At some point you have to throw strikes and hope your defense backs you up. Look at Jake Brown at TN. He's hitting some rockets, but several went right to someone.

The walks and free passes are infuriating to watch as a fan.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39245 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 11:35 am to
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Not claiming to be a baseball savant at all but my opinion is the pitching issues are 95% mental That is something coaching can’t fix

But game reps may. And I’m sure that’s CJJ’s strategy for handling it with these midweek games. Get them out there under pressure and see who meets the challenge.
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
19781 posts
Posted on 4/8/26 at 11:38 am to
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Rizy has no clue where the ball is going. I’m shocked they use him in leverage spots in SEC games.


Don’t need to worry about Rizy going pro anymore
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