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re: Nuss isn't as interception prone as you think.

Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:35 pm to
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28036 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:35 pm to
I said in the offseason that he's going to throw double digit ints. It's just going to happen. I don't know this for a fact, but his turnover worthy throws is probably high. He trusts his arm and throws a lot of passes that he tries to fit into tight windows.

I stated before the season i expected 3700 yards and 35 TDs to 10 ints. He is almost locked in to throw for over 4k, and could reach 40 TD passes. He's also a lock to throw at least 10 ints. That's going to happen. That's why i haven't gone crazy over it. We smart ones were telling yall you just have to get used to more ints. Nuss i more like Zach Mettenberger in that regard rather than Jayden Daniels and Joe Burrow.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:38 pm to
Tommy Hodson was awfully good his first year, and he was a RS Fr if memory serves.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68669 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:44 pm to
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That’s great if you are hitting long passes too

Not throwing INTs when you aren’t completing the ball downfield is not a special feat.

Nuss has been very risk-adverse to a point where he’ll overthrow a WR downfield because he is afraid of turning it over. This has happened consistently all year.


Burrow and Daniels had the same issues with long passes their first year at LSU. It also takes time with wr's. Don't foget a lot of our fans didn't even want JB and JD to be the starter entering their 2nd season at LSU.

I am fine with Nuss being over protective with the ball...I also think the coaches drilled this into his head in spring and fall.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58729 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:49 pm to
Yes he was, I think he led the SEC in yards, TDs and passer rating as a freshman. I think he led in other categories too.
Posted by GaTiger27
Member since Feb 2016
1706 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 2:08 pm to
He doesn’t seem to force those balls but you see him throw off his back foot unbalanced sometimes.
He has good placement but those attempts make some folks hold their breath for the worst.

I think he’s doing a great job and progressing nicely! He’s sneaky fast and should take off running more.

He made a great 1st down run on that 3rd & 13 when we backed up on the 12. More of that! Defenses know he can sling it and give him lots of chances to run
Posted by WestSideTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
4356 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 2:16 pm to
He almost threw a pick trying to throw the ball away last weekend. He needs to run more. Would actually take some of the pressure off him.

Posted by King BRLA
Member since Jan 2024
536 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 2:40 pm to
Great job on this impressive post. We riding the Nuss bus to the playoffs
Posted by tigerbaiter
Member since Dec 2006
499 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 2:55 pm to
And he peaked right there.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46564 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 3:55 pm to
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you have that written backwards.



Attempt pass per interceptions?

or

Sdrawkcab mettirw taht evah uoy?
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11673 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 4:22 pm to
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The average number of interceptions thrown by QBs in the top 10 of passing yards is 4.7 interceptions. With 48.7 pass attempts per interception being the avearge, and 44.9 pass attempts per interception being the mean.

I’ve been staring at this trying to figure out what it means (no pun intended).

I finally figured out where you got 48.7 - if you take the total passing attempts of the top 10 (2,288) divided by the total interceptions (47) you get 48.7 attempts per INT. It’s a bit of a weird way to calculate it, but OK.

The mean of that dataset is 55.0 pass attempts per INT.
The median of that dataset is 44.9 pass attempts per INT.
Nussmeier is at 41.5 pass attempts per INT.

Another way to look at it is that Nussmeier’s 2.4% INT rate is #60 (out of 100 qualifying QBs).

Idk, all of that tells me that Nussmeier is about as interception prone as I thought he was. He’s throwing INTs at a higher rate than the average FBS QB. He’s certainly not the worst in that category, and he’s being asked to do more than other FBS QBs (there is a reason he has the 3rd most attempts in the country). But he’s still made some head-scratching decisions at times.

I’ll say this - he has certainly improved that aspect of his game compared to his time as a backup. I expect he’ll continue to improve as he gains experience and learns from his mistakes.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
12559 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 4:38 pm to
I have been fairly impressed with Nuss in his first year. He has played pretty good. Last game was poor by his own standards. He did not play well at all. It was 1 game though.
Posted by bountyhunter
North of Houston a bit
Member since Mar 2012
6754 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 5:15 pm to
Outside of one game he has been fairly trustworthy with the ball. He's also very accurate at throwing, sometimes he just forces the ball and makes poor decisions. For a guy in he debut season, he looks very poised and I'm not in the least worried.
Posted by PurpleSingularity
Member since Dec 2017
1555 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 6:13 pm to
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Unprecedented numbers in his first season by a lot yet he’s constantly bashed here. Pretty crazy


What the hell are you talking about?

He is generally praised by LSU fans and everyone can see he is carrying the offense on his back at this point in the season.
Posted by Boudreauboudreaugoly
Land of the Rice n Son
Member since Oct 2017
2173 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:13 pm to
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I would say focus on the process, not the results.

Your stats are very basic & even with a simple addition of YPA would tell you more.

And to be honest, INTs are not his biggest issue.


Also, IMO some of what people are calling “bad throws” are actually “throw aways” especially downfield on corner routes or back shoulder throws where he is being heavily pressured or the receive is “closely covered”. This is also part of the reason his number of times being sacked is so low. His arm strength is enough to throw the ball away, especially rolling left where some quarterbacks would not be able to “muscle” the ball lout of bounds or out the back of the endzone. Also, when he starts “seeing” those huge lanes open up where (as more than one game announcer has alluded to) you don't have to even be particularly “fast” to tuck the ball and turn some runs into big gains, it will improve his overall game tremendously.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
284807 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:37 pm to
quote:

IMO some of what people are calling “bad throws” are actually “throw aways” especially downfield on corner routes or back shoulder throws where he is being heavily pressured or the receive is “closely covered”.



He has missed a ton of down field throws. There aren’t a lot of throw aways, they are mostly uncatchable though

Throws 20+ yards he is 38% (5td 2int)


Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
62761 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:41 pm to
With no running game.

Teams know what we doing
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
62761 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:43 pm to
He got hit on that one last Saturday. Not saying it was a good decision. But the hit made that a dead duck
Posted by Hurricane2020
Member since Apr 2020
2995 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:11 pm to
I don't know why I wrote mean while thinking median, but I fixed it. Brain farther i suppose.

Anyways, I didn't take the average of the pass attempts per interceptions because individually there are some outliers that skew the data. The total attempts divided by interceptions to me seemed like a more accurate representation of the average attempts per interception since it's factoring in the data as a whole.

Another problem with making any dataset on interceptions is that they are rare events and have a ton of randomness on when one play results in an INT or not, DBs sometimes have butterfingers. Especially this early in the season, theres just not enough passes available to reach the expected number or interceptions any individual player is likely to make in that year, think the law of large numbers. Nuss has thrown significantly more passes than the majority of college football, his numbers may be skewed because he hasnt reached his true value of pass attempts per interception.

Like I mentioned in a previous comment "turnover worthy passes" is probably the best statistic to use to determine a quarterbacks actual interception rate, since it ignores the opponents actually ability to intecept a poor throw. But I couldn't find those stats, nor do I have the time to watch literally every pass of every top quarterback and subjectively determine their number of turnover worthy plays.

Bottom line, a 3 to 1 interception ratio IS NOT BAD. Especially when 1 of those interceptions were a desperation play as time expired, and 2 were deflected balls that were picked off.

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