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re: Not a BK fan but...............(opinion rant)
Posted on 10/29/24 at 5:10 pm to Sevensblue
Posted on 10/29/24 at 5:10 pm to Sevensblue
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It must suck to be a Nebraska fan.
It doesn't. They're some of the nicest, most knowledgable football fans.
This post was edited on 10/31/24 at 6:07 am
Posted on 10/29/24 at 5:19 pm to ellis197575
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He should have had a CFB playoff appearance. LSU had one of the all-time great offenses last year and didn't sniff the playoffs.
In a way, you're penalizing him for his own success due to your own expectations changing.
Anyone would have told you it was unrealistic to have an all time great offense in Kelly's second year, yet he had it.
Now, it's a knock on him that he had an all time offense and Heisman quarterback and didn't make the playoff.
I think Brian Kelly actually overachieves quite a bit with the rosters he has and is often bashed because they don't beat really good or better teams when they probably should've never been in that position in the first place.
Now, if you believe he doesn't build good enough rosters, that's an entirely different argument.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 5:27 pm to Swampcat
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I think about Nebraska a lot. They were dominant for so many years; what happened?
They struggled to maintain success after getting rid of their most successful coach. Its a tale as old as time.
UT after Fulmer
UF after Spurrier
FSU after Bowden
UT after Mack
ND after Holtzthhs.
Bama struggled for years after Bear....until Saban.
LSU is the exception to the rule for the most part.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 6:02 pm to rheglin1054
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not only do I not think BK is the right fit, I have never liked him.
This is the stupidest argument that national media keeps saying anytime their is a question about the current LSU coach or when they are looking for a new one. You know who is the right fit for LSU? A winner, Saban was a redneck from West Virginia. Arnsparger was a grumpy old man that came from the Dolphins. Paul Dietzel and Les Miles were yankees from Ohio.
LSU and Nebraska are in no way comparable. Nebraska had a incredible run with great coaches and was able to go pluck talent from all around the country to sustain it because Nebraska has zero instate talent.
LSU may have some down even for a few years like 89-94 but LSU will never be down very long. Too much instate talent for that to ever happen. There is so much talent in Louisiana that LSU doesn't have enough roster spots for top talent even if every single top La player wanted to sign with LSU.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 6:18 pm to SidewalkTiger
Yes but the problem is just that. Kelly is yet another LSU coach that can only hope for a lightning in a bottle type season where it all luckily comes together for one year. But unfortunately he will be a coach that won’t be able to sustain a championship level team year after year like the likes of Bama, Ohio State and Georgia. I guess LSU will never have that sustained success on a yearly basis.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 7:01 pm to rheglin1054
LSU will win 1 under BK over next 8 years. Especially now Bama won't be as good. LSU would've had for sure 1 more, maybe 2 more national championships on top of the already 3 since 2000 if Saban never went to Bama.
Just statistically with the recruiting, Louisiana talent, and not having an extreme Bama to play every year sets it up that it will happen for sure once.
The issue with Nebraska is that it has atrocious recruiting aside from Offensive Line. They were lucky even to be relevant at one point really. Louisiana will always have talent every year due to the extreme demographic difference in Nebraska and Louisiana. For that reason, it's unlikely LSU ever falls off like Nebraska did.
It's a shock to me there were ever bad years pre-2000 and Saban because Louisiana is consistently the #1 or #2 ranked state in NFL players per capita. Unless all the best players were leaving out of state which is my guess like Mannings, Ed Reed, Marshall Faulk, Reggie Wayne, Warrick Dunn. I mean that alone are 6 NFL Hall of Famers that were from Louisiana solely in college in the 1990's that ditched LSU for out of state. It's not like that anymore really. Just that small specific sample size is probably more than the state of Nebraska has produced all time in NFL hall of Famers.
Just statistically with the recruiting, Louisiana talent, and not having an extreme Bama to play every year sets it up that it will happen for sure once.
The issue with Nebraska is that it has atrocious recruiting aside from Offensive Line. They were lucky even to be relevant at one point really. Louisiana will always have talent every year due to the extreme demographic difference in Nebraska and Louisiana. For that reason, it's unlikely LSU ever falls off like Nebraska did.
It's a shock to me there were ever bad years pre-2000 and Saban because Louisiana is consistently the #1 or #2 ranked state in NFL players per capita. Unless all the best players were leaving out of state which is my guess like Mannings, Ed Reed, Marshall Faulk, Reggie Wayne, Warrick Dunn. I mean that alone are 6 NFL Hall of Famers that were from Louisiana solely in college in the 1990's that ditched LSU for out of state. It's not like that anymore really. Just that small specific sample size is probably more than the state of Nebraska has produced all time in NFL hall of Famers.
This post was edited on 10/29/24 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 10/29/24 at 7:03 pm to TopWaterTiger
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FSU after Bowden
Leave that one out. Jimbo won a nati and did extremely well at FSU.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 7:09 pm to chadr07
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Yes but the problem is just that. Kelly is yet another LSU coach that can only hope for a lightning in a bottle type season where it all luckily comes together for one year. But unfortunately he will be a coach that won’t be able to sustain a championship level team year after year like the likes of Bama, Ohio State and Georgia. I guess LSU will never have that sustained success on a yearly basis.
I'm not sure Ohio State has done that really.
I don't think BK is a coach on Saban or Smart's level.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:25 pm to dstone12
quote:Football Occam's Razor: The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
The thing that bothers me, the most is how we cannot get a run game going with this supposed great offensive line.
Brad Davis was hired by Ed Orgeron and is simply not that good.
What's he done elsewhere?
He's in over his head at LSU and needs to be the first one to see the door after the season.
Get an experienced OL guru in here; an OL Pete Jenkins.
Restock the OL through the portal and transfers. (That's the only Hope)
Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:30 pm to TNTigerman
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We used to have Dlinemen who could dominate and determine the outcomes of games -- like Brockers and Logan. We haven't seen guys like that in a while.
3 comments:
1) Would've been nice to see Bo coach the DL guys last year.
2) There should be some resemblance come next year with Guillory coming back, McKinley, Breaux, et al.
3) Swinson is having a very good year.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:31 pm to Mohican
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the playoff era you better have a coach that can make in-game adjustments and be an exceptional game planner with very good coordinators.
You cannot be passive in-game. I think that is where BK gets in trouble. He kind of rolls it out there and lets the chips fall where they may. After the game he says all the right things but misses the opportunity to do something in the moment to change it.
Hopefully we stack talent, but even with talent if you can’t X and O you will get beat in modern college football and it will be impossible to win a championship. You’ve gotta have in-game instincts and a sense of urgency that I just don’t see with him.
All of this. Sloan is the same way.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:36 pm to semjase
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Brad Davis was hired by Ed Orgeron and is simply not that good.
What's he done elsewhere?
Has a ton of experience. Was hired by Pittman at Arky who himself was an OL at UGA.
I have no explanation for why our run game is so bad. It's approaching '23 D levels.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 1:04 am to rheglin1054
A little off the subject but anyway.. in 98 on a wild hair I bought tickets to Nebraska vs. Louisiana Tech. I had alot of guys I grew up with on Tech’s football team. We made a road trip out of it and had alot of fun. Nebraska fans won me over that weekend. They were friendly, engaging, and full of class. It was Solich’s first game and was a great experience. Even back in ‘98 Nebraska had a board displaying stats for all positions updated play by play. (Ahead of its time) It made keeping up with Rattay and Edwards more entertaining. I hope a home and home gets scheduled with you guys soon so I can make a return trip.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 4:01 am to rheglin1054
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Also keep in mind a lot of LSU did want Jimbo Fisher, Billy Napier, and Lincoln Riley.......

Posted on 10/30/24 at 5:32 am to rheglin1054
That is the problem. There is no young Coach that sticks out who would be the obvious answer. The landscape has changed so there has to be Coaches who are given a bit more time because there aren't the amount of good coaches out there. Kirby is far and away the best Coach still in College Football. After that there is a drop off and honestly, Brian kelly is in the top 5 of most experts in terms of active Coaches.
Baker seems to be a good Head Coach in the making and Dan Lanning seems to be a good one but Baker would be a brand new Head Coach and Dan Lanning might not have the same success in the SEC or LSU. Impossible to say.
But, Kelly has done a lot of right things in terms of building the program and getting the right pieces in place. However, he has not done a good job at getting his teams to execute or being prepared. Saturday's loss reminded me of Tennessee '05 with the huge swing after half time after dominating the game.
Baker seems to be a good Head Coach in the making and Dan Lanning seems to be a good one but Baker would be a brand new Head Coach and Dan Lanning might not have the same success in the SEC or LSU. Impossible to say.
But, Kelly has done a lot of right things in terms of building the program and getting the right pieces in place. However, he has not done a good job at getting his teams to execute or being prepared. Saturday's loss reminded me of Tennessee '05 with the huge swing after half time after dominating the game.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 6:44 am to semjase
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Football Occam's Razor: The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Brad Davis was hired by Ed Orgeron and is simply not that good. What's he done elsewhere? He's in over his head at LSU and needs to be the first one to see the door after the season. Get an experienced OL guru in here; an OL Pete Jenkins. Restock the OL through the portal and transfers. (That's the only Hope)
Wow.
I will say that I’ve never heard that.
And that you’re super close to the sun on this.
Not saying you’re wrong but that man is held in high regard on the radio and here.
A juxtaposition on this is Corey Raymond. He is loved & doubted, here…..not hated.
But Davis? He’s walking on very, very thick Ice in this forum.
Just my observation.
Do you think Kelly sees what you see? Because he has a great history of putting oline in nfl.
Interesting take this morning.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 8:15 am to Leon the pro
I became a LSU fan because of CWS in 09 a gentleman and his family invited me down to Baton Rouge for a game. We went down to a night game in Death Valley in 2010. I was amazed and started following more and more. I went to road games and back to Baton Rouge and the Natty. I still stay in touch with that gentleman and he came back up 2 years ago and we hosted him and his son for his sons bachelor party. Ever since then I throw an LSU tailgate at CWS inviting any Tiger fans that make it to Omaha!
Posted on 10/30/24 at 8:19 am to Ponchy Tiger
Great point, again it was just my opinion. I think he brings a wealth of knowledge and surrounding himself with the right coaches. I think fans (including me) are quick to hate on him but dude has made some solid accomplishment so far and think LSU is in a better spot than 4 years ago.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 8:41 am to drizztiger
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That’s the standard though. The last 3 head coaches won NCs, but don’t expect that from the 10 year, $100 million dollar man?
If bozos like Miles and O could win natties here, BK should easily win one here. NOW, may be a little harder with the new playoff format but we don't lower the standard especially considering the caliber of the head coach we have.
This post was edited on 10/30/24 at 8:49 am
Posted on 10/30/24 at 8:44 am to rheglin1054
I absolutely hate the constant refrain of “Kelly can’t win the big games”.
Let’s examine:
2022 season “big games” 2-2
Lost to Tennessee and Georgia (SECCG)
Beat Ole Miss and Alabama (both top ten at the time)
Losing to FSU and Texas A&M don’t count as “big games”. We should have won each of those, so if we had won, you wouldn’t count it as a big game win.
Keep in mind that the reason we won the SEC West was because we won the two biggest games on the schedule in the SEC West.
2023 Season “big games” 0-3
Lost to Florida State, Ole Miss and Alabama
Moral victory, but we did drop a pass in the end zone that would have won it vs Ole Miss…
2024 season “big games” 1-1 so far
Beat Ole Miss
Lost to Texas A&M
So, by my reckoning, he is 3-6 in “big games” so far. The record is skewed because of the hideous defense in 2023.
It is hardly correct that he cannot win the big games. He does win them, and he will win another one a week and a half.
Let’s examine:
2022 season “big games” 2-2
Lost to Tennessee and Georgia (SECCG)
Beat Ole Miss and Alabama (both top ten at the time)
Losing to FSU and Texas A&M don’t count as “big games”. We should have won each of those, so if we had won, you wouldn’t count it as a big game win.
Keep in mind that the reason we won the SEC West was because we won the two biggest games on the schedule in the SEC West.
2023 Season “big games” 0-3
Lost to Florida State, Ole Miss and Alabama
Moral victory, but we did drop a pass in the end zone that would have won it vs Ole Miss…
2024 season “big games” 1-1 so far
Beat Ole Miss
Lost to Texas A&M
So, by my reckoning, he is 3-6 in “big games” so far. The record is skewed because of the hideous defense in 2023.
It is hardly correct that he cannot win the big games. He does win them, and he will win another one a week and a half.
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