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re: NO way a jury convicts JJ on these charges
Posted on 8/27/11 at 8:58 am to Stevo
Posted on 8/27/11 at 8:58 am to Stevo
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the character of both will be front and center
For the sake of argument, JJ hasn't been in trouble before that I'm aware of (although I realize he could have been and we just don't know).
Lowery, on the other hand, stalks a girlfriend, she files a restraining order pertaining to the night of the fight BUT also for times before that August 18 day AND he's arrested in Florida (although I don't remember what for).
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Posted on 8/27/11 at 8:58 am to TheBaker
DA is not touching it.
Going to a grand jury. What is interesting about that part of the process is the defendant does not get to produce and evidence as well as the standard to proceed being lower than beyond a reasonable doubt. Grand jury indictment does not indicate a conviction by any sense of the imagination.
Going to a grand jury. What is interesting about that part of the process is the defendant does not get to produce and evidence as well as the standard to proceed being lower than beyond a reasonable doubt. Grand jury indictment does not indicate a conviction by any sense of the imagination.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 8:59 am to TheBaker
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DA will NOT accept 2nd degree battery charges
I thought it was the DA and the police who determined that there was enough evidence to arrest?? Didn't they meet Thursday night?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 8:59 am to Irondoctor
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I don't guess the kid's that got beat down life is affected.
I've been on both sides of an "arse whoopin" and if anything I am a better man because of it.
kids fighting at a bar is not a story and should not involve cops.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:00 am to ATLTiger
read the report the original statement at 1:30 said one victim, never mentioned someone pulled from the truck. It was Lowery and his witness that brought up the truck one hour later and after leaving the scene. My opinion the original statement at 1:30 contradicts what Lowery said after having an hour to get his story straight.
The report does not say where Long was when she contacted the police it appears she was not interviewed at the scene. It appears she was not at the bar at 1:30 when the police arrived but contacted them over an hour. How did she know to contact the police office?
The report does not say where Long was when she contacted the police it appears she was not interviewed at the scene. It appears she was not at the bar at 1:30 when the police arrived but contacted them over an hour. How did she know to contact the police office?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:01 am to tiger91
Probable cause to arrest by the police.
DA can accept to proceed. DA is turning it over to a grand jury.
Grand jury is one sided and not beyond a reasonable doubt.
DA can accept to proceed. DA is turning it over to a grand jury.
Grand jury is one sided and not beyond a reasonable doubt.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:01 am to ironsides
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Why is JJ's life screwed up? He was never going to be in the NFL and he can still get a college degree I think you guys are over reacting
He is accused of something he says he didn't do. He is essentially kicked off the team after investing 4 years of hard work. Now he has to spend time and money to try to restore a fraction of his reputation.
You don't really know how his final season would have gone, all indications were he was expected to shine.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:01 am to CarrolltonTiger
I get why the players would have scooted out once they knew the police were on the way, but how different could the outcome have been if they (and a couple of their witnesses, like Liz and bar employees) stuck around to tell their side of events when police showed up? Has anyone ever been present when BOTH sides involved in a fight like this have given opposing statements to police? If there had been the players and employees and others saying the "victims" were actually the aggressors, threw the first punch, were heard to threaten to "get a gun from the truck" etc, would all this have gone away on the first night and the guys only have gotten in trouble with CLM? Or would this kick-to-the-head still be the huge issue it is?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:03 am to Paulu
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DA is not touching it.
He hasn't made up his mind. I would imagine he would have wanted to plead it down, but with JJ hiring Lewis there is no way it will get plead down now. Lewis will fight this thing till the bitter end.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:03 am to ironsides
In Baton Rouge Loseranna,think again .Yeah that's what I said,that what they call it up here,and I am done defending Louisiana. The police dept would have
found away to allow certain people to finish this year out.And Josh he'll be playing this year
found away to allow certain people to finish this year out.And Josh he'll be playing this year
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:03 am to CarrolltonTiger
You miss the entire point.
Has nothing to do with prejudice or "ignorance". A good defense attorney will create enough confusion for a jury to be unable to come to a conviction.
Cleo Fields got off bribery charges when they had video of his taking cash. Edwards had constant charges until they got him. OJ, Tot Mom (and her attorneys were not that great). It is not an easy hurdle.
Has nothing to do with prejudice or "ignorance". A good defense attorney will create enough confusion for a jury to be unable to come to a conviction.
Cleo Fields got off bribery charges when they had video of his taking cash. Edwards had constant charges until they got him. OJ, Tot Mom (and her attorneys were not that great). It is not an easy hurdle.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:04 am to Shreveporter
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Has anyone ever been present when BOTH sides involved in a fight like this have given opposing statements to police?
typically only occurs when the cops show up while the fight is still going on.
what I don't understand is why these clubs don't spend the $15 an hour to have an off-duty cop on site...seems that would prevent probably half the stuff that happens
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:04 am to Shreveporter
The bar fight isn't the issue. JJ going Landon Donovan on a defenseless person's face is the issue.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:06 am to Ice Cold
Fact: His life is screwed up but by reputation only. He wasn't an NFL prospect. He's probably a good kid who just made a bad mistake. (I've made plenty, some I got caught, some I didn't, it happens). He can still get his degree. I doubt he will ever play significant football at LSU again. May be reinstated, but if Lee or Mett or doing ok, he won't get any meaningful playing time. He screwed up his on life, it's his fault, but I agree police and others are over reaching on this because of his status as LSU fb player.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:07 am to Paulu
quote:It's not about what you can prove or disprove, but the doubt you can create in others.
A good defense attorney will create enough confusion for a jury to be unable to come to a conviction.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:08 am to NOLAtoChiTwn
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In Baton Rouge Loseranna,think again .Yeah that's what I said,that what they call it up here,and I am done defending Louisiana. The police dept would have found away to allow certain people to finish this year out.And Josh he'll be playing this year
You need to catch up.Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:09 am to tiger91
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I thought it was the DA and the police who determined that there was enough evidence to arrest?? Didn't they meet Thursday night?
where i'm from, its the police and the criminal commissioner who decides if there's PC to arrest and hold. the DA decides yay or nay after...and thats usually approximately 2 months later. now, thats in a totally different parish, so maybe BR does things differently.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:13 am to Paulu
JJ surly wouldn't get convicted in Florida, that's where I would want a jury trial.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:13 am to That LSU Guy
BINGO
And the entire situation reeks of doubt.
And the entire situation reeks of doubt.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 9:14 am to Paulu
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High profile BS.
JJ comes from a good family and is not a thug.
I have to disagree with you to a certain extent there. I've been kinda in the middle on this whole situation. Obviously the Lowry guy is a shite-for-brains with a chip on his shoulder. Bar fights are a frequent occurrence and in some ways, this case has been blown way out of proportion by the cops and media.
However, I've always been a "do the crime, do the time" kinda guy.......and I admit to having been in quite a few fights myself. Kicking someone in the head while they are on the ground is a THUG thing to do. SO, JJ may not be a thug, but he acted in a way to make people think that he is, and that is the one thing that this whole thing revolves around. Without the head kick/broken neck, this would likely be cleared up by now.
In all the fights I've been in or witnessed, the only people who I've ever seen kick a prostrate victim in the head were trashy, classless, thugs or gang members with no self respect.
I've been in fights before where I was so angry that I wanted to tear someone to pieces, but if I knocked them out, or especially if someone else did, I would never stoop to taking a cheap shot -and potentially very dangerous, even fatal - kick to the head. Thats just sick, and below me, and I can't believe the number of people on here defending it and saying "well that's just kids and bar fights"
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 9:18 am
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