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re: NO way a jury convicts JJ on these charges
Posted on 8/27/11 at 12:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/27/11 at 12:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't know that it matters who got beat up. On the legal side, people on this board are showing some real ignorance on both sides, and trying to justify shite they know nothing about (model citizen, blah blah blah.)
No one knows if indeed JJ is a model citizen as athletes usually get some extra leeway in many situations, and no one should care about the "marine'" past.
I can tell you a jury will take all that into account big time. No way a jury convicts JJ.
Everything in his past will be brought up and under a microscope. Bank on it! The attys will find every bit of dirt he has ever had on him.
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 12:42 pm
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Posted on 8/27/11 at 12:48 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
I don't know about LA but here, JJ being a good student, having a good family or the marine's past is inadmissable until the sentencing stage. Unless, there is an exception made to show he was stalking JJ? 
Posted on 8/27/11 at 12:50 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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I can tell you a jury will take all that into account big time. No way a jury convicts JJ.
Everything in his past will be brought up and under a microscope. Bank on it! The attys will find every bit of dirt he has ever had on him.
Will not matter. You can be the worst shithead on the face of the planet, but if you get blindsided and have a competent prosecuting atty, the past is irrelevant.
The State of Alaska and I have had a slight disagreement before, something kind of similar to the JJ situation. I saw it one way, as did most others but the State saw it another. In the end, it's the letter of the law that will matter, not the content of character.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 12:51 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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Yep. Sure will. A fight is a fight.
You heard it hear first people! No biggie if you catch a football player by his self leaving the bar and stomp the shite out of him.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 12:55 pm to Ryno_Kill
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You heard it hear first people! No biggie if you catch a football player by his self leaving the bar and stomp the shite out of him.
You don't know WTF happened.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 12:56 pm to SLC
If there is no DNA or fibers on JJ's shoes this shite is basically over. Can't prove JJ kicked anyone, can't prove dude with cracked verts got injury from JJ.
Like somebody said get the phone records of Lowery's witnesses and they are probably dumb enough that they outed their plan over the connection.
Answer me this, why is the girl's, (who gave the first testimony) story just the end all for everyone, even the police(to an extent)? These dumbass cops get this girl's statement like at least an hour later while she is RIGHT NEXT TO LOWERY!!! But only when you get the conflicting(conflicting with Vicky L) story of the bar employee does these silly arse police say "Oh, well you're gonna get some bias witnesses to a case like this", really dumbass?
You were getting the same shitty arse witness accounts from Lowery's posse, but when you get a conflicting report(from a witness that is not Lowery's friend) THEN you start siting bias witnesses??????
Lowery has already been proven to have lied, but have the players?
Like somebody said get the phone records of Lowery's witnesses and they are probably dumb enough that they outed their plan over the connection.
Answer me this, why is the girl's, (who gave the first testimony) story just the end all for everyone, even the police(to an extent)? These dumbass cops get this girl's statement like at least an hour later while she is RIGHT NEXT TO LOWERY!!! But only when you get the conflicting(conflicting with Vicky L) story of the bar employee does these silly arse police say "Oh, well you're gonna get some bias witnesses to a case like this", really dumbass?
You were getting the same shitty arse witness accounts from Lowery's posse, but when you get a conflicting report(from a witness that is not Lowery's friend) THEN you start siting bias witnesses??????
Lowery has already been proven to have lied, but have the players?
Posted on 8/27/11 at 12:57 pm to Datbayoubengal
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If there is no DNA or fibers on JJ's shoes this shite is basically over. Can't prove JJ kicked anyone, can't prove dude with cracked verts got injury from JJ.
Yeah, they can.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 12:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You don't know WTF happened.
You don't either! So let the process play out.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:00 pm to Paulu
I'll agree that these charges are way too steep. Especially if the other party started the fight; anyone arguing that "kicking someone when down is terrible" is either naive (having never been in a fight like this), or basically a jerk (people picking fights are trying to hurt someone else, so I don't really care if they get hurt instead. If you don't want to get hurt, don't start the fight).
I'm of the opinion (and I bet a number of jurors are too), that the person who started the fight basically asked for whatever injuries they get out of it. That includes getting shot, if that's the case; tough luck for him but that's what can happen. Don't start fights.
Nobody got hurt that required any hospitalization, and they were all checked out.
This would be my opinion for anyone involved in a fight, not just JJ or LSU players.
I'm of the opinion (and I bet a number of jurors are too), that the person who started the fight basically asked for whatever injuries they get out of it. That includes getting shot, if that's the case; tough luck for him but that's what can happen. Don't start fights.
Nobody got hurt that required any hospitalization, and they were all checked out.
This would be my opinion for anyone involved in a fight, not just JJ or LSU players.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:01 pm to Ryno_Kill
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You don't either! So let the process play out.
I am one of the very few on here who supports that notion. I have never claimed once (like you just did) to claim to know anything that happened.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:02 pm to Datbayoubengal
We'll see. I have no skin in the game but I find it hard to believe a DA would bring charges without the belief he/she can get the conviction.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:03 pm to Ryno_Kill
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You heard it hear first people! No biggie if you catch a football player by his self leaving the bar and stomp the shite out of him.
Didnt say that. Said if the LSU players started the fight and got stomped in the process, I wouldnt feel any different just because they are LSU players.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:07 pm to Paulu
I have no idea if Jefferson will be convicted, since I've read at least 30 different theories about what actually happened. What I DO know is this: if an Alabama or Auburn QB had been involved in a similar thing, most of us would interpret the evidence differently. There would be no question as to his guilt.
Happens everywhere. Go to the Auburb board and Cam never took a dime. Miami board saying this latest scandal with them is all lies. And Bama was never guilty in the Albert Means affair.
I've never met Jefferson. The majority of us never have. If he played QB for anyone but LSU, we would have hanged him by now.
Happens everywhere. Go to the Auburb board and Cam never took a dime. Miami board saying this latest scandal with them is all lies. And Bama was never guilty in the Albert Means affair.
I've never met Jefferson. The majority of us never have. If he played QB for anyone but LSU, we would have hanged him by now.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:10 pm to BillF
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If he played QB for anyone but LSU, we would have hanged him by now.
No it wouldnt be an issue at all. It would have been a bar fight and thats it.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:14 pm to BillF
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I've never met Jefferson. The majority of us never have. If he played QB for anyone but LSU, we would have hanged him by now.
The Darron Thomas and Cliff Harris threads are hilarious.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I am one of the very few on here who supports that notion. I have never claimed once (like you just did) to claim to know anything that happened.
I can't understand why people like RayRay don't get why labeling this "just a bar fight" and sweeping it under the rug might cause problems in the future unless he has a agenda. We need to make sure any future attacks made on LSU players will be met with the same intensity if they are injured. I know it sucks for some people but the process needs to play out or some idiot will use this situation to do something stupid like injure a player and claim it was "just a bar fight". It happens people...Just Say'n!
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:18 pm to BillF
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Go to the Auburb board and Cam never took a dime.
Mmm, not all of them say that.
They seem to have their own version of "Team Sweep", that doesn't mind admitting that Scam was on the payroll. However, they're "All In", and don't have the first problem w/ seeing it swept under the rug.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:18 pm to BillF
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I have no idea if Jefferson will be convicted, since I've read at least 30 different theories about what actually happened. What I DO know is this: if an Alabama or Auburn QB had been involved in a similar thing, most of us would interpret the evidence differently. There would be no question as to his guilt.
Happens everywhere. Go to the Auburb board and Cam never took a dime. Miami board saying this latest scandal with them is all lies. And Bama was never guilty in the Albert Means affair.
I've never met Jefferson. The majority of us never have. If he played QB for anyone but LSU, we would have hanged him by now.
I don't recall saying that I thought JJ was squeaky clean in this. I just think it's been blown way out of proportion. He whipped someone's arse and got carried away. Charge him with disorderly conduct, suspend him for a couple of games, and let it die.
There is no hard proof that anyone was substantially injured during the whole ordeal.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:19 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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If he played QB for anyone but LSU, we would have hanged him by now.
No it wouldnt be an issue at all. It would have been a bar fight and thats it.
Not in Oxford, MS, where their QB was arrested. Players are arrested all over the coutry; speeding, peeing in public, etc. LSU is no different.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:20 pm to Ryno_Kill
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I can't understand why people like RayRay don't get why labeling this "just a bar fight" and sweeping it under the rug might cause problems in the future unless he has a agenda.
I do.
Have you read many of his posts? Ray Ray might just be the most retarded individual posting on all of TigerDroppings. And brother, let me tell you, that's saying a lot.
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 1:21 pm
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