re: McMahon better recruit elite players

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And bring back Wade

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Bring back the guy that destroyed the program. You people are insufferable. I thought the pawl baws were bad but you Wade groupies take the cake by FAR

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They bullied us both games

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Did they?

The rebounding numbers were close in both games. LSU actually had more blocks. LSU had a better 2pt FG% in the first game (MSU the second). The paints points were pretty even in both games MSU +4 in game one; +2 yesterday. There wasn't a huge discrepancy in turnovers (though LSU had more...several of which were just mind-numbingly stupid turnovers such as throwing the ball to guys who weren't looking and losing the ball faking an overhead pass to no one)

LSU really didn't get bullied. The bottom line is MSU adjusted...and LSU didn't.

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Jans threw out a defensive look his team hadn’t experimented with a whole lot, and he thought it made a world of difference.

“Absolutely. Obviously with me at the helm you don’t have a ton of strategy. But we decided to employ that press that we’ve used off and on all year long,” he explained. “Actually it was pretty successful for us at LSU the first time. What we did today was a little bit different. Normally we do it on dead balls and free throws. We hadn’t done it recently on made field goals. You always wonder if you can get in it or not, and it helped us. It really helped us change the vibe of the game, and they kind of start taking some shots that maybe they wouldn’t if we hadn’t had press on, so the guys did a good job with it.”

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Well that's not true. LSU did adjust. The decided to play the first 8 minutes of the second half with the guy who was the most impactful player in the first half (Dean) on the bench. A guy who when he was in the game the point differential was LSU +4 With him out it was Miss. St +14!

Somebody give the OP the Brain Scientest Award, this guy is a genius.

Maybe you should send McMahon your genius idea, better yet, maybe you can consult him.

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Bring back the guy that destroyed the program.

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How did Wade destroy the program? What was he accused of doing while at LSU? What were the infractions we could have been found guilty of during his time here?

I hope for McMahon to do well and support him but Wade didn't destroy the program. Woodward did unnecessarily IMO .

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bring back Wade

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Wade paid for multiple top 10 classes and never did shite in the tournament.

No thanks.

The issue that will continue is that he is going to go after guys that aren’t elite. Guys that would stay 4 years aren’t what we will need to win. This isn’t a mid major, and even at the mid majors, you can’t take that route. Portal changed things so much. Sooner or later y’all will have to stop blaming it on sanctions and Wade. He’s in over his head for a lot of reasons. Mainly he can’t recruit. Don’t give me any previous stuff he’s pulled at his other stops or anyone he’s brought in here. And surely don’t blame the state of the program. All of that was out there before he took the job. Was never going to be easy.

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People post nonsense like this when they're in denial or too lazy to Google the NCAA report and the dozens of news articles that came out on this situation.

But yes, continue on believing that it was all one big conspiracy to get rid of Wade. You guys are like cult members when it comes to this guy.

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LSU chose to get rid of Wade. Wade did not choose to leave LSU. That's an indisputable fact.

The sanctions LSU ultimately received from the IARP investigation were minor and certainly not program destroying.

I think most would agree that had LSU kept Wade AND the sanctions LSU received were the same regardless of if they fired Wade or not the results of the last two seasons would have been SIGNIFICANTLY better and the program as a whole would be much better.

So that leaves the only, and ultimate issue of debate...would the sanctions LSU received have been much worse had they not fired Wade? Unfortunately, no one here can answer that question. We can speculate, and have done so. But we can't unequivocally answer that question.

No matter what was reported by Yahoo, Pat Forde, and other like minded-bozos, or the misinformation that is oft-repeated in these dicussions, Wade was ultimately found to have committed three NCAA violations:

1. He made payments to the fiancée of a former VCU player who extorted him for money upon threats she would disclose to the NCAA he extended potential impermissible benefits to the former VCU player, and that Wade did not disclose to the NCAA the extortion attempt. This took place in the summer of 2017. About 4 months after Wade was hired at LSU.

2. In 2018 he texted with a friend of a potential transfer who was considering transferring to LSU. The friend indicated he had significant influence over the potential transfer's decision of which school to choose. This made the friend an "impermissible recruiter" with whom Wade could not have contact.

3. Wade failed to fully cooperate with the NCAA investigation.

What was not proven was the exchange of any money for recruits.

Wade received a 2 year "show cause" penalty which essentially prevented him from being able to recruit off campus (while employed at any institution), a few month long periods where he couldn't contact recruits, and a 10 game suspension for each of the two years he was under probation (that's why he was out the first 10 games this year and will be next year as well regardless of where he coaches).

The written decision does not discuss whether or not Wade's firing made a difference in the sanctions levied. Perhaps LSU would have been hit with worse sanctions. Perhaps not. Without knowing the ultimate conclusion of the investigation LSU chose to fire Wade. It's hard to say that decision was wholly irrational. But we also have heard nothing to indicate LSU was "forced" to fire Wade.

The AD could come out and make a quick statement to clear up the debate once and for all. If true, why not just say: "Had we not fired Wade the sanctions would have been much worse." I think even the most ardent Wade fans could accept that reality. In fact, it would probably help gain more support for McMahon because fans wouldn't be constantly longing for the former coach. Instead, we are left to live in a nebulous world of "what if" while the basketball program has returned to irrelevance and apathy.

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The written decision does not discuss whether or not Wade's firing made a difference in the sanctions levied.

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Firing Wade (and the assistant) was explicitly listed as a mitigating factor in the punishment.

He needs to lobby for some serious NIL coin and get an assassin for a year or two.

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Did they?

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I thought so their big guys backed us down constantly and when we were on offense their physicality was a big problem for us. Rebounding isn't the only indicator of being physically pushed around.

Some adjustment played a part in the second half of the second game but I thought we got pushed around by them both games.