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re: LSU has to show Les Miles the money: James Varney
Posted on 12/13/12 at 11:59 pm to Tiger2763
Posted on 12/13/12 at 11:59 pm to Tiger2763
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The problem with Miles is he loses to SEC teams far too often!
Show me another coach at LSU who has done better.
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With the exception of last year he has lost between 2 and 5 games each year to SEC opponents since 2007!
With the exception of 2008 with a new freshman starting QB he has a 77.5% win pct in the SEC averaging 6.2 - 1.8 respectively. Don't exclude our best year under his tenure and keep the worst, it discredits you and your arguement.
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Don't get me wrong, He is a great coach.
FIFY
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But we will never consistently win the SEC by losing that many games every year to conference opponents, much less a BCSCG. There's no use kidding ourselves.
2 SEC Championships in 5 years and completely negated the arguement of "Saban's players" last year when we ran undefeated through the regular season. The guy is a great coach and will continue to be. Just enjoy LSU football. We've sucked in the past. We've been decent in the past. We were good under Saban. We are elite under Miles. It's fact. We are top 5 every year and competing for the SECC and NC every year. Will we win it every year? No. Noone will.
Also, for the record. Miles has as many SEC Championships at LSU as Saban does during the same time frame. The only difference between the two is that Bama got their mulligan last year and caught LSU flat.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 12:01 am
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Posted on 12/14/12 at 12:01 am to Tiger2763
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You guys continue to live and breath Saban. This is not about that guy.
Who mentioned Saban? I didn't see his name in this thread.
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How often has a 2-3 loss team won a championship with 2-5 loses in the last 10 years or so? We did it once and we all know we were fortunate.
No one said anything to the contrary.
However, only tOSU had 1 loss in '07. Every other team that could've been there, had 2 losses.
Have to see how the season plays out. To say right now, that a team that gets 2 losses is automatically out of the BCS, is dumb. It probably wouldn't be good, but then again, you could have a repeat of 2007 where every other team that could go has 2 losses.
We have 5 10+ win seasons. That's awesome in the SEC.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 12:07 am
Posted on 12/14/12 at 12:12 am to Tiger2763
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The problem with Miles is he loses to SEC teams far too often!
The problem with you is that you are stupid.
LSU leads the SEC in wins since 2005, but Miles loses to SEC teams too often.
You have to be a troll because you don't know shite about LSU.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 12:12 am to LSU Groupee
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LSU leads the SEC in wins since 2005,
do since 2007
Posted on 12/14/12 at 12:20 am to Tiger2763
quote:Using your metric for LSU:
Will 2-3 loses get us a championship? But on average it won't get it done.
Bama conference losses since that woeful day Miles was hired= 17, or 2.125/yr avg.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 12:25 am to Elleshoe
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do since 2007
Miles came in 2005.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 12:33 am to Tiger2763
quote:It's not like I compare LSU to ND, OU or USCw.
You guys continue to live and breath Saban. This is not about that guy.
I bring up Bama because this is LSU's hurdle to winning the West, the SEC, and the NC.
I bring up Bama because they're laid out red carpet to the SECCG, while LSU's path is treacherous.
Bama and Saban are a factor in all that you post about.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 12:48 am to meldawg399
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Miles can't control the ESPN spin/Bama hype machine.
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and if Bama plays our east schedule this year and we play theirs, they lose 2 games and fall to the Peach Bowl (assuming the SEC would protect us like they protected UGA had we lost the SECCG). You can't blame Miles he plays a tougher schedule than Saban year in and out.
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The SEC has picked it's favorite son to hang on to the power built by LSU and UF, then stacked the deck against them with the scheduling
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I bring up Bama because they're laid out red carpet to the SECCG, while LSU's path is treacherous.
Are you this much of a crybaby pussy in other parts of your life?
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 1:02 am
Posted on 12/14/12 at 12:55 am to Tiger2763
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But we will never consistently win the SEC
Do you know that that NO team has won the SEC more than LSU since Miles has been here?
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since 2007
Nice cherry picking.
I can do that too. Guess which team leads the SEC in wins since 2010?
That's right...it's that LSU team that loses to much in the conference.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 5:44 am to Tiger2763
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What each of us has to do is ask ourselves if we accept the reality that once in a while things will fall into place and we'll take the SEC west but on average we are a 2-3 loss team
miles has won the SEC 2x in 8 yrs and the NC once. currently, only one SEC coach has bettered that and the last 12 months ONLY has determined that. in the SEC, whether you admit it or not, winning the league title 25% of the time and competing for it 87% of the time is about as good as it gets. it is the most competitive league in america. that is reality. yes, because of the last 12 months bama has edged us but the next 12 months that can change. things have fallen into place for ole nicky both last year and this year. he's been as lucky as people claims miles is. LSU, Florida and now Bama are the big 3 that fight it out every year for the uber competitive SEC. Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, South Carolina and maybe now A&M have almost been relegated to spectators. and whether you want to admit it or not, nick saban is NOT the reason miles has LSU at this level any more than dinardo was the reason saban achieved at almost as high a level as miles (at LSU).
Posted on 12/14/12 at 5:49 am to blackjackjackson
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Posted on 12/14/12 at 5:52 am to Tiger2763
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As I said Les is a good coach but he loses on average 2-3 conference games per year
that's bull shite. yes, '09 was a bad year but other than that we've come closer to losing an avg of one SEC game per year than 3. in ANY other conference LSU would be dominate year in and year out.
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But on average it won't get it done.
you are really reaching with this comment. this stat is totally irrelevant. EACH AND EVERY YEAR, 8 yr averages mean zilch. the difference between losing two sec games and one sec game is the difference in a shot at the nc. the margin is razor thin and luck (the breaks) has EVERYTHING to do with it. there is not one SEC coach i would take over miles. but, if we had to have one it would be saban but i'm glad we don't.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 5:53 am to Tiger2763
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But we will never consistently win the SEC by losing that many games every year to conference opponents, much less a BCSCG. There's no use kidding ourselves.
LSU has played for the SEC title 3 of his 8 years
won twice...
45 seconds aways this year from going back to Atlanta making it 50% of the time. 4 of 8
People need to realize how great that is in the toughest conference in the country.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 6:10 am to ApexTiger
All I have to say is wait for the playoff system...look the frick out if the new system ever goes to 8 teams because I would put LSU up against any team in the top 10 this year...shite I`d put them up against top 8 almost every year for the last 5...
Posted on 12/14/12 at 7:36 am to LSUCanFAN
The disatisfaction with Miles doesn't stem from his won/loss record, but from the perception that his offensive failings are holding the team back from even greater accomplishments. Consider the following numbers (rankings are at the end of regular season):
2012 - ranked 8; defense ranked 8; offense ranked 78
2011 - ranked 1; defense ranked 2; offense ranked 75
2010 - ranked 8; defense ranked 8; offense ranked 92
2009 - ranked 12; defense ranked 28; offense ranked 108
Basically, LSU has managed 3 top ten rankings in a row because it has had 3 top ten defenses in a row. However, with offenses ranked in the bottom quartile, the result is no national championships, one BCS bowl loss and the Peach Bowl this year.
To me, it is easy to understand the frustration of some. If LSU can field top ten defenses, why can't it field top 50 offenses or better? Imagine what could have been with decent offenses.
2012 - ranked 8; defense ranked 8; offense ranked 78
2011 - ranked 1; defense ranked 2; offense ranked 75
2010 - ranked 8; defense ranked 8; offense ranked 92
2009 - ranked 12; defense ranked 28; offense ranked 108
Basically, LSU has managed 3 top ten rankings in a row because it has had 3 top ten defenses in a row. However, with offenses ranked in the bottom quartile, the result is no national championships, one BCS bowl loss and the Peach Bowl this year.
To me, it is easy to understand the frustration of some. If LSU can field top ten defenses, why can't it field top 50 offenses or better? Imagine what could have been with decent offenses.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 7:41 am to Tiger2763
As I said Les is a good coach but he loses on average 2-3 conference games per year. Will 2-3 loses get us a championship? Occasionally a two loss team has done, we did in fact. But on average it won't get it done.
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Posted on 12/14/12 at 7:46 am to meldawg399
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We were the best team in the SEC, the best team in the nation.
We know who missed 1/9
Posted on 12/14/12 at 7:47 am to LSUCanFAN
Some of you really stayed up late and got your panties ALL waded up!
All I was trying to say was when was the last time a 2 or more loss team won the National Championship, beside LSU which I already mentioned?
It happens but very rarely? Right?
And we seem to lose 2-3 every year on average? Right?
So what does that mean? Huh?
It's not hard to understand if you can read.
All I was trying to say was when was the last time a 2 or more loss team won the National Championship, beside LSU which I already mentioned?
It happens but very rarely? Right?
And we seem to lose 2-3 every year on average? Right?
So what does that mean? Huh?
It's not hard to understand if you can read.
Posted on 12/14/12 at 7:59 am to Tiger2763
Look! let me put it like this.
Losses per year:
2012 - 2
2011 - 1
2010 - 2
2009 - 3
2008 - 5
2007 - 2
2006 - 2
2007 - 2
Average loses per year > 2
Will >2 loses per year consistently win championships?
I'm not saying we are a crappy team and I've already said here that Miles is a good coach.
It all comes down to what a realistic goal should be given our performance over the last 7 years.
And since we've gone there: Is a coach who loses an average of two games and is unlikely to get us to the national championship worth $5 million per year? Just saying.
Losses per year:
2012 - 2
2011 - 1
2010 - 2
2009 - 3
2008 - 5
2007 - 2
2006 - 2
2007 - 2
Average loses per year > 2
Will >2 loses per year consistently win championships?
I'm not saying we are a crappy team and I've already said here that Miles is a good coach.
It all comes down to what a realistic goal should be given our performance over the last 7 years.
And since we've gone there: Is a coach who loses an average of two games and is unlikely to get us to the national championship worth $5 million per year? Just saying.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 8:11 am
Posted on 12/14/12 at 8:00 am to Tiger2763
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You can't blame Miles he plays a tougher schedule than Saban year in and out.
Even so it comes down to if we beat Bama. So you want Bama to have tougher games so if we lose to them it wont matter? Beat Bama we are in stop crying about who has harder games
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