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re: LSU has to show Les Miles the money: James Varney
Posted on 12/16/12 at 12:05 pm to That LSU Guy
Posted on 12/16/12 at 12:05 pm to That LSU Guy
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signed, bama <the last 2 seasons>
It doesn't matter when Bama backs into the national title game, that's completely different.
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Posted on 12/16/12 at 12:21 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Lonnie4LSU. Wrote:
What has been explained to you over and over, is that there is NO team in SEC/BCS football which hasn't averaged over 2 L's a season since 05.
So, saying you can't be happy with a 2 L a season HC is saying you can't be happy with anyone.
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You know stats are funny things. Some are estimates thrown out like mud to see what sticks while others are factual in nature. Here is what the last four years look like around college football.
This does not include 2012 as the site doesn't contain those numbers yet but we already have two loses and several others in the top 10-15 have only 1 so I am confident we'll fall further next year given the same time frame.
We've averaged 3 loses per year over these 4 years and are ranked 8th while 3 schools averaged less than 2. It'll likely be 9-10th after this season, perhaps lower.
One would think we would be improving over time with program stability but as you see it hasn't in our case. Other schools have seen theirs improve and here in lies my point. We are not improving and consistently lose 2-3 games per year.
To be fair no team can hold to 0-1 loss for years but trends matter and ours isn't improving. Just saying.
I-A Winning Percentage 2008-2011 (4 years)
Rank Team Win. % Games Won Games Lost
1 Boise State 0.94340 50 3
2 Texas Christian 0.90385 47 5
3 Alabama 0.88889 48 6
4 Oregon 0.83019 44 9
5t Utah 0.78846 41 11
5t Oklahoma State 0.78846 41 11
7 Oklahoma 0.77778 42 12
8 Louisiana State 0.77358 41 12
9 Southern Cal 0.76471 39 12
10 Virginia Tech 0.76364 42 13
Link to data: LINK
Posted on 12/16/12 at 1:13 pm to Tiger2763
My Elite comments are based solely on BCS Championships. In the modern BCS era of college football, Bama is on the verge of winning 3 of the last 4 championships. And out of the most dominant conference in all of college football. Saban will have 4 BCS Championships.. Skip had 5 during an era when the SEC may not have been as competitive in baseball as it is today relative to football. Maybe it's a matter of semantics. If Miles is elite, what is Saban?
Posted on 12/16/12 at 1:46 pm to meldawg399
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Miles can't control the ESPN spin/Bama hype machine.
Yeah but he could have controlled how well we were prepared against them. And we just weren't even close to prepared. Which is why we lost the game. Oh, and Jordan Jefferson was the quarterback that might've had something to do with the loss as well.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 2:09 pm to Tiger2763
wow, first, you include boise, tcu and utah in your comparisons. please try to include sos in your calculations for me.
dude, you are using your scale of judgement on lsu. this is learned behavior. someone judged you for not being perfect. probably wanted A+ and disappointed in your A's. someone taught you to be disappointed in your best effort.
and, dude, you will carry this on to your kids. you will demand perfection and make them just like you. in fact, they will probably be sooo disappointed in your imperfections.
tiger 2763, i wish you happiness and more acceptance than you are getting here. the rant is mostly ordinary guys enjoying elite coaching and the golden era of lsu football. there are a few more negaturds like you on here. but, i understand that most of the negative comes from a borderline mental illness like add or adhd.
there is medication for adhd and you might do some google self diagnosis to see why you are so unhappy.
imhomoimbtyo
in my humble opinion, my opinion is much better that your opinion.
p.s. fools names and fools faces appear in public places.
p.p.s. do you really think it is difficult to read personalities on a anonymous blog?
dude, you are using your scale of judgement on lsu. this is learned behavior. someone judged you for not being perfect. probably wanted A+ and disappointed in your A's. someone taught you to be disappointed in your best effort.
and, dude, you will carry this on to your kids. you will demand perfection and make them just like you. in fact, they will probably be sooo disappointed in your imperfections.
tiger 2763, i wish you happiness and more acceptance than you are getting here. the rant is mostly ordinary guys enjoying elite coaching and the golden era of lsu football. there are a few more negaturds like you on here. but, i understand that most of the negative comes from a borderline mental illness like add or adhd.
there is medication for adhd and you might do some google self diagnosis to see why you are so unhappy.
imhomoimbtyo
in my humble opinion, my opinion is much better that your opinion.
p.s. fools names and fools faces appear in public places.
p.p.s. do you really think it is difficult to read personalities on a anonymous blog?
Posted on 12/16/12 at 2:14 pm to Tiger2763
quote:
You know stats are funny things
Yeah, and when you use them to cherry pick a coaching/team record they even become more funny.
If you want to talk a coaching record with some objectivity you either use the full record or the last 2 or maybe yrs. It's not surprising to me that you want to start with 08.
When I compare teams I compare SEC or BCS cause that's what LSU is and that's who the should be judged against. imo
Doing so....LSU is #1 in wins among like schools since 05. Since 2010 LSU is 2nd only to Oregon in wins. In the SEC LSU is #1 in wins since 05 and since 2010 LSU is #1 in wins.
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We are not improving and consistently lose 2-3 games per year
You need to keep up with the times we live in.
From 2010 till now, a pretty good length of sample time for most reasonable people, LSU has averaged 1.7 L's a yr.
Looks like the kinda improvement you seek to me, but each to own own.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 2:22 pm to Tiger2763
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The problem with Miles is he loses to SEC teams far too often!
We had two losses this year to TOP 5 SEC teams.
This post was edited on 12/16/12 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 12/16/12 at 2:30 pm to Lonnie4LSU
LSU in SEC is #1 in wins since 05 so why has that not equated to multiple national titles which Fla and Bama have accomplished during that same time period?? What is the program missing??
Posted on 12/16/12 at 2:46 pm to Tiger2763
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The problem with Miles is he loses to SEC teams far too often!
With the exception of last year he has lost between 2 and 5 games each year to SEC opponents since 2007! And last year we lost the one game that mattered the most.
Don't get me wrong, He is a good coach.
But we will never consistently win the SEC by losing that many games every year to conference opponents, much less a BCSCG. There's no use kidding ourselves.
At first I was like
quote:
Tiger2763
30 posts
Then I was like
Posted on 12/16/12 at 2:55 pm to xGeauxLSUx
My main issue with Miles is I think he coaches the game with one of the greatest amounts of arrogance I have ever seen. I am not sure he adequately and without bias self scouts our team for tendencies or weaknesses to address often enough.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 2:57 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Lonnie,
Two years is not a "good length of time". Understand also that comparing our record since 2005 to everyone elses when they have been through at least one complete collapse and coaching staff turnover during that same period is meaningless. The comparison means little IMO but to each his own. We have enjoyed stability but have not taken full advantage of it by winning multiple national championships over those 8 seasons.
As I said I suppose many feel a 10 win season is enough and with 85 wins in 8 seasons we did accomplish that. Sounds as though you are willing to settle for that as well. I'm one of those who felt it was good enough for the first few years. There was plenty of time to improve I thought. Unfortunately we haven't improved it seems to me but I can live with 10 wins per year too I suppose.
I guess about the only thing left for me to say to you and a couple others in this thread is the lens in my glasses are made from crystal clear glass and not rose colored ones as it seems you have in yours.
Two years is not a "good length of time". Understand also that comparing our record since 2005 to everyone elses when they have been through at least one complete collapse and coaching staff turnover during that same period is meaningless. The comparison means little IMO but to each his own. We have enjoyed stability but have not taken full advantage of it by winning multiple national championships over those 8 seasons.
As I said I suppose many feel a 10 win season is enough and with 85 wins in 8 seasons we did accomplish that. Sounds as though you are willing to settle for that as well. I'm one of those who felt it was good enough for the first few years. There was plenty of time to improve I thought. Unfortunately we haven't improved it seems to me but I can live with 10 wins per year too I suppose.
I guess about the only thing left for me to say to you and a couple others in this thread is the lens in my glasses are made from crystal clear glass and not rose colored ones as it seems you have in yours.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 3:27 pm to Tiger2763
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Two years is not a "good length of time
I used 3...2010, 2011, and 2012.
We averaged 1.7 L's...just what you been asking for, right. There's your improvement, but you, for whatever reason, refuse to see it.
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As I said I suppose many feel a 10 win season is enough
It's 11 win seasons...5 of them and maybe 6.
LSU has 7 of them in our history and Miles has 5, soon maybe 6, of them.
quote:
my glasses are made from crystal clear glass
Judging from your post in this thread, your glasses are farrrrrrrrr from clear.
When my team has had the remarkable overall success the likes of which have never been seen before at LSU...sure, they might be a tad rose colored. I can enjoy elite LSU football without expecting perfection or close to it. If you can't, so be it.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 3:33 pm to DIGGY
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What is the program missing??
Seems to be, if you want to say it's missing something, a win on 1-9-11.
It's not wins or West titles or SEC titles cause we have our fair share of them.
If that's your problem, so be it.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 3:36 pm to DanglingFury
quote:It's funny how that works for some...
It doesn't matter when Bama backs into the national title game, that's completely different.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 3:43 pm to Lonnie4LSU
No problem Lonnie4 LSU, just two differing opinions on eliteness. Your idea of elite is a coach with 1 NC, 2 SEC Championships. My idea is one with 3 going on 4 NC, 3 SEC Championships. Neither of us is absolutley wrong. Just depends where you set your sights. You and I obviously set it at different levels. It's all good.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 3:44 pm to Tiger2763
quote:
my glasses are made from crystal clear glass
You lie like a rug.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 3:48 pm to RonBurgundy
Elite but not the best. Not in the top 5 but definitely in the top 10. If we weren't embarrassed in the NC last year I'd say he would be top 3. However, his greatest strength is also his biggest weakness as a coach. Great recruiter, mediocre game manager as a coach in critical situations. His brain farts are baffling at times. Sure, every coach has them but his just leave you with your mouth opened. Good thing it doesn't happen often...
Posted on 12/16/12 at 3:53 pm to DIGGY
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My main issue with Miles is I think he coaches the game with one of the greatest amounts of arrogance I have ever seen.
Arrogance?
Please define. (I can't wait to read THIS.)
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I am not sure he adequately and without bias self scouts our team for tendencies or weaknesses to address often enough.
You are not sure? NOT SURE?
So basically you are just making things up?
Posted on 12/16/12 at 4:10 pm to Gray Tiger
Gray Tiger, not making things up just expressing my opinion as you have done greater than 19,000 times on this message board. You know the old saying about opinions. In arrogance, I mean running into staked boxes repeatedly, not taking advantage of a depleted Au secondary with Russell and all of our talented receivers, staying the course last January, refusing to admit fault in time management issues (which Saban did by the way in this years SEC championship game), refusal to see offensive shortcomings and addressing them for several years, not realizing you were having a better game than Bama this year and letting your team win it, continuing the Ware cat mess in critical situations etc. Refusing to learn from mistakes to me is arrogant. But what do I know, I am just a Nova Scotia reject from South Louisiana who cannot go toe to toe in college football intellect with you umpteen thousand posts cats right?.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 4:23 pm to DIGGY
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. In arrogance, I mean running into staked boxes repeatedly, not taking advantage of a depleted Au secondary with Russell and all of our talented receivers, staying the course last January, refusing to admit fault in time management issues (which Saban did by the way in this years SEC championship game), refusal to see offensive shortcomings and addressing them for several years, not realizing you were having a better game than Bama this year and letting your team win it, continuing the Ware cat mess in critical situations etc. Refusing to learn from mistakes to me is arrogant. B
I had no ides that you were in on the game planning at LSU. I didn't know that you were were breaking down tape of opponents. I didn't know that you were in practice sessions. I didn't know that you were a renowned expert at evaluating personnel and the assets and liabilities of each and every player as it pertains to the overall game plan.I didn't know that you knew all the variables that make up a game plan. I guess you should have come here sooner with your expertise.
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But what do I know,
That is precisely what I'd like to know.
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, I am just a Nova Scotia reject from South Louisiana
And how does this alone make your football knowlege deeper and wider than those actually paid to coach the sport?
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who cannot go toe to toe in college football intellect with you umpteen thousand posts cats right?.
How did cats get into this conversation?
You talk to cats?
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