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re: Late Kick Live with Josh said an agent told him he believes the LSU job will be open
Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:19 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:19 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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If you’re a coach, why would you rather USC over LSU?
If you have no ties whatsoever to either state where would you and your family rather live? A ritzy part of the Los Angeles area or Baton Rouge?
While there is more competition for it, California has a much larger number of players due to sheer population than Louisiana. USC is probably the preeminent historical football power in California.
You and your family don't live in the fishbowl that is the SEC and Baton Rouge. The LSU HC is probably the biggest celebrity in the city and one of the biggest in the state. As such, you are under constant scrutiny from the people in your city/state. The USC HC is probably the 2,500th most recognized celebrity in the city. Thus, while there is still pressure, it isn't the daily fishbowl pressure that comes from being a SEC HC is a (relatively) small city.
The fan/booster expectations aren't crushing. While it probably wouldn't be the wrong decision to fire O if LSU has another bad season, doing so would mean LSU fired their HC only two years following literally the best season in the 100+ year history of the program. The demands to win in the SEC are unrivaled. At USC there will still be pressure and expectations. But because USC football isn't the biggest thing in the state the HC gets more job security.
Now, there are DEFINITELY a lot pros for the LSU job. But it is not clearly better than the USC job. It just depends on what things are most important to a particular coach.
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Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:21 pm to Stevo
I didn’t say Herman would have been a good hire and he wasn’t coming here anyway regardless of that “pr issue”
But it was rough.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:21 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Fickell would be USC
Meyer- USC
Freeze- LSU
Kiffin- LSU
That’s what I think of those 4 right now, as to what I believe they would consider
Napier- would be lazy hire
Meyer- USC
Freeze- LSU
Kiffin- LSU
That’s what I think of those 4 right now, as to what I believe they would consider
Napier- would be lazy hire
This post was edited on 9/15/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:23 pm to Alt26
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But it is not clearly better than the USC job
It's clearly better
Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:24 pm to lsusteve1
The USC job is undesirable due to the rules and restraints there.
Anyone thinking its top 5 is severely uninformed.
Anyone thinking its top 5 is severely uninformed.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I truly believe Jimbo was coming and backed out forcing Alleva to improvise with no back up plan. I think that’s the reality of what happened.
Alleva would have had more options. But was backed into a corner.
I’m glad it worked out the way it did though.
Alleva would have had more options. But was backed into a corner.
I’m glad it worked out the way it did though.
This post was edited on 9/15/21 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:40 pm to Topwater Trout
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reality
A 2-3 year rebuild isn't reality. That's just your opinion. It's also with noting that "rebuild"is a pretty subjective term. It could be argued we're in a rebuild right now. How many times are we going to let the same guy rebuild the roster and staff?
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how many will stay and how many will leave?
Transfers are going to happen whether we keep Orgeron or move on. That's just the way it is these days.
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Most of the kids we are currently recruiting and are committed have committed to O. This is one of the biggest problems with changing coaches is it hurts the first class.
Kids are also decommitting (or not committing at all - Law. Wiggins, Matthews, Tapp) from Orgeron. You can't operate out of fear of losing a few recruits. Also, as I've mentioned before the Louisiana 2022 class is absolutely loaded with players, so we probably won't take as big of a hit as a team normally might when making a coaching change.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:42 pm to Byrdybyrd05
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Late Kick Live with Josh said an agent told him he believes the LSU job will be open
Yes. Because agents are NEVER full of shite.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:45 pm to abellsujr
Every AD has their list. You have to in order to stay ahead of the curve on the most important hire you will make as an AD for like 90% of P5 schools regardless of the status of your current HC
Posted on 9/15/21 at 1:48 pm to whitefoot
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A 2-3 year rebuild isn't reality. That's just your opinion.
I can assure you no coach from outside the program is going to come in and and say we will be competing for championships and playoffs in year 1...doesn't mean we can't but no coach is dumb enough to say that and put his arse on the line
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Transfers are going to happen whether we keep Orgeron or move on. That's just the way it is these days.
I believe they are easier now than they ever were and this will be the first time we have had almost complete staff turnover since the NCAA has allowed this
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You can't operate out of fear of losing a few recruits
I'm not scared I was listing why I wanted O to turn it around and not get fired. I was one of the biggest supporters of firing CLM but I still hoped he would turn the program around and bring our offense up to date
Posted on 9/15/21 at 2:05 pm to Byrdybyrd05
I really hope that we don’t make a hire for the sake of change. Hire the right guy who we can rely on longterm
Going from a 5 win season under O to an 8 win season under coach whoever really doesn’t do much for me. Bring us annual playoffs with a championship every now and then
Going from a 5 win season under O to an 8 win season under coach whoever really doesn’t do much for me. Bring us annual playoffs with a championship every now and then
Posted on 9/15/21 at 2:22 pm to Byrdybyrd05
A little bird told me you know nothing about football, he was right. He also whispered to me Josh and you are idiots he was right again.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 2:36 pm to Byrdybyrd05
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an agent off the record . . . because he believes the LSU job will be open. . . .
Look, I believe without marked improvement, the LSU job will be open too.
But, let's always remember, it's an agent's job to make people believe jobs will be open. That helps him drive getting his lower profile clients attention and helps him get his higher profile clients raises and extensions. They always want more jobs to be open than really are.
Don't trust rumors: trust press conferences.
GEAUX TIGERS!
Posted on 9/15/21 at 2:43 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Woody already has his guy. Thank the Lord Alleva is gone,
Posted on 9/15/21 at 2:43 pm to Byrdybyrd05
That agent was one of Woody's folks just making sure that the feelers are out there
Posted on 9/15/21 at 2:51 pm to abellsujr
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Not all coaches that want the job are current head coaches…
But like I said, nobody that moves the needle that I know of.
Soo Larry Fedora is trying again?
Posted on 9/15/21 at 3:56 pm to Alt26
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If you have no ties whatsoever to either state where would you and your family rather live? A ritzy part of the Los Angeles area or Baton Rouge?
That’s not what I’m arguing. I’m saying that it is easier to win a championship at LSU than USC. And past recent history proves it. USC has had more competent and better technical coaches than LSU’s last two coaches and they’re empty handed. Now of course living in L.A. has Baton Rouge beat. But if you’re a coach who wants to win a national championship LSU has proved that it can be done even with sub par head coaches.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:22 pm to Nexus of the Univers
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Is it just me or does that not make any sense... Why would USC wait for the LSU job to open and allow their candidates to use the leverage? Isn't the whole point of firing a coach this early to avoid a bidding war? Or are they seriously waiting for O to be available?
That wasn’t what Pate was saying. He was saying that coaches interviewed may want to wait on LSU to open, so they can either take LSU or use LSU for more leverage.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:38 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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That’s not what I’m arguing. I’m saying that it is easier to win a championship at LSU than USC. And past recent history proves it. USC has had more competent and better technical coaches than LSU’s last two coaches and they’re empty handed.
You can certainly make that argument. But you also have to consider that Kiffin in 2010 is probably not the same/guy coach that appears to be doing good things at OM 10 years later. Maybe similar to Ed at Ole Miss and Ed at LSU 10 years later. Plus, Kiffin took over a program on significant probation. A lot of upperclassmen bailed on him that first season and he faced recruiting limitations the rest of the way.
They then has Sark who was there for a season and was apparently getting sauced. After that they pulled an LSU and hired the the interim. So is it "easier" to win a NC at LSU? Maybe. But you also have to consider LSU, for the foreseeable future, has a HUGE hurdle USC doesn't have to get over every year....Alabama. It sucks, but it is true. For LSU to win the NC they have to beat Alabama. The two guys before Ed didn't have to contend with that dominant force.
LSU is going to have the financial support to compete for championships. LSU is going to have the passion and interest from the fan base to do so. But the Pac 12 really doesn't have any annual powerhouses. Thus, it is conceivable that the right guy could come in an do what Clemson does in the ACC...establish itself as the dominant force in a not significantly competitive conference. Helton was NEVER going to be that guy. The hire was lazy from the beginning.
Ultimately, though it comes down to what an individual coach sees as "better". Do you want to coach in the most powerful conference with unlimited resources, but the intense scrutiny that comes with it? If you are fine with that LSU can be a GREAT job. One of the best. If not, USC could be the "better" option.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 4:40 pm to Stevo
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How was this a fiasco? Herman was offered the job, but he wanted the Texas job. Some of you look too hard to find drama.
It was a fiasco because Alleva never actually wanted Tom Herman, went through the motions with his hire, and immediately told Herman to go frick himself when he understandably tried to use the Texas offer in his negotiation with LSU (if I remember correctly the direct quote is "frick you" into a hang up). There was also no serious number 2 candidate besides Ed even though Alleva didn't even want the number 1 pick (Leach would have been the second best external candidate). Do you not remember Alleva's victory lap SI article in 2019? Maybe Herman goes to Texas even if LSU plays ball, but Alleva never actually wanted him.
And this is more Ed than Alleva, but a big part of the Ed hire was that Kiffin would be the offensive coordinator...and we all know how that was a lie.
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