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re: Kelly says analytics says to go for it on fourth down. But which analytics?

Posted on 9/3/25 at 12:48 pm to
Posted by jpk4lsu
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 12:48 pm to
Dumbass decision to go for it on 4th down, no timeouts and 15 seconds left. He definitely reminded me of Less.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 12:50 pm to
There are smart folks with computers (and AI) analyzing every possible decision. I'm sure this is based on a CFB-wide analysis, perhaps adjusted for LSU personnel and statistical trends (which admittedly would be a smaller sample for the current team).
Posted by Mayhawman
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:20 pm to
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So, how in depth/accurate are these analytics?
I'd think your short yards proficiency needs to be in analytic decisions, not just use all CFB or even FBS %,
Posted by tiger94gop
GEISMAR
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:25 pm to
Can't be said enough. Points on the road in a hostile environment are hard to come by. No time on the clock and they get the ball coming out of the half. TAKE THE POINTS!!
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:27 pm to
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But which analytics?


DEEZ NUTZ analytics boy
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:29 pm to
Analytics are much more useful in the NFL where the talent difference is much smaller.

Fourth and goal from the 2 would be much more difficult for LSU against Ohio State than against La Tech. You have to factor in the opposition with the average odds of success against all teams.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 2:37 pm to
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Kelly says analytics says to go for it on fourth down. But which analytics?
I generally like being aggressive and not automatically punting on 4th down, but so much depends on time and place.

In a low scoring game, on the road, points are at a premium. So take the FG and go into halftime with momentum.

BK made the wrong decision, and I thought so before he ran the play.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33972 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:04 pm to
In isolation, going for it there wasn't necessarily a bad call. But when you've lost 3 straight opening games and EACH had a situation where you were stopped on 4th down instead of taking a FG, I agree, you may have to discard "analytics" there and do something different to try to get a different result.

No one can say how the game goes if LSU takes 3 there instead of getting stopped on 4th down. But if the second half goes the same 10-6 turns into 13-10 which turns into 20-10. A two-score game would have been massive late instead of putting your defense in an extreme pressure spot
Posted by wahoocs
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Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 3:47 pm to
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Fans love analytic decisions when they work but hate them when they don’t, which isn’t how decisions work.


Generally true, but in this circumstance, there was only one right decision
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:20 pm to
They’re BS, just an excuse when coaches frick up.
Posted by Sofaking2
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:21 pm to
What about with the clock expiring and no timeouts left?
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:24 pm to
There’s a million different factors that would go into it and there’s 100% chance what he’s referring to did not apply to the situation on Saturday.
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:26 pm to
yeah i get that in general its more likely to get the first down on the 40 yard line with 2 yards to go then punt the ball away and not allow 2 first downs. And I'm sure any strategic thinking, or analytics would tell you that. However that 4th down with 15 secs with no timeouts was just dumb and saying analytics told you to do it is even dumber.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66047 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:29 pm to
You had to score twice to win the game anyway. Only relevant “analytic” in that situation.
Posted by Dubaitiger
Abu Dhabi, UAE
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:32 pm to
Analytics my arse!

History of bonehead calls going for it on 4th down with bullshite play calls.

You need to look at a few things- timing, momentum, situation, and time left in the game. There was only 15 seconds left and the only timeout we had he used it before the stupid 4th down play call.

You kick the ball and get 3 points with momentum into halftime. Because even if you make it, you have to throw it in the endzone because if you get tackled in bounds, time runs out and you have time for 1-2 plays max.

Better to kick the FG and get 3 points before halftime.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66047 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:40 pm to
Stack points until the deficit outnumbers the possessions needed. It isn’t that difficult.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:46 pm to
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So, how in depth/accurate are these analytics? Are they based on LSU results only?


BK also said he misinterpreted the Analytics because if factors in the number of plays you can run after that play. He said for the analytics to be favorable we meeded time yo run 4-5 more plays if successful on 4th down.

He admitted he should have kicked the FG.
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:50 pm to
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He admitted he should have kicked the FG.



He should have kicked the field goal IMO. But I also liked the fact that Nuss was begging to go for it and he let his QB have a chance to convert and see if he could handle business...which he didn't.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66047 posts
Posted on 9/3/25 at 4:53 pm to
Lmao
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/3/25 at 5:48 pm to
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Kelly says analytics says to go for it on fourth down. But which analytics?


he already admitted it was a bad judgement on his part...

15 seconds left in the half

the gain of getting a first down still is a big problem with no timeouts...

maybe 1 maybe 2 pass plays then you have to run your FG team out there...

lot of downside to that gamble
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