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re: Is Miles really that great historically in terms of losses per year?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:53 pm to tigerpawl
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:53 pm to tigerpawl
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I've been saying this for years. Of note is the relative importance of the games lost ("must-win" games) and their impact on the final standings.
OK, Team Speed Kills just looked at this today: LINK
Their findings?
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One thing this study does is show how hard it is to beat ranked teams consistently.
Only six coaches have a winning record against ranked teams since 2007: Saban, Jimbo Fisher, Les Miles, Mark Helfrich, Steve Spurrier, and David Shaw. Helfrich barely counts, as has only one year of experience and took over a program in excellent shape.
Miles is ONE OF SIX coaches to have a winning record against teams that finish top 25. Hey, let's just say he's the worst of those with more than a year's experience, and that makes him the fifth best active coach in the nation in "tough games".
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Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:53 pm to RedTigerRulz
it seems he has run away
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:55 pm to Choctaw
quote:Still here. My post speaks for itself. Numbers don't lie.
it seems he has run away
Posted on 8/21/14 at 2:58 pm to spiderman
you're right...they don't. Miles is great.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:02 pm to spiderman
As others have posted, winning percentage means a lot more than number of loss per year considering how many more games are played now...
so...
Before Les Miles, LSU's winning percentage was 63.8%
Les Miles' winning percentage at LSU is 79.8%.
so...
Before Les Miles, LSU's winning percentage was 63.8%
Les Miles' winning percentage at LSU is 79.8%.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:04 pm to spiderman
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Still here. My post speaks for itself. Numbers don't lie.
Your posts and the fact that you aren't smart enough to calculate winning percentage certainly does speak volumes about how stupid you really are.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:05 pm to spiderman
By your logic Miles does not get credit for the BCS National Championship because it was a terrible season with 2 loses. You should change your name to spider pig and go be an Arky fan
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:08 pm to spiderman
You are obviously a moron.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:09 pm to spiderman
Win % in his tenure here says go frick yourself
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:09 pm to spiderman
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People like to tout that Miles has six 10-win seasons and LSU only had 13 or so prior to his arrival. This is not an accurate measuring stick b/c for decades LSU only played 10 or fewer games and the schedules of the last 20 yrs or so are stacked with 3 automatic wins.
The true measuring stick for Miles is losses per season. A team with fewer than 2 losses has undoubtedly had a great season. Miles has only had 1 season with fewer than 2 losses. Since LSU started playing at least a 9 game schedule they have had 14 seasons w/ fewer than 2 losses:
2011, 2003, 1987, 1969, 1962, 1961, 1958, 1946,1936, 1933, 1921, 1916, 1913 and 1908.
Miles has only managed to do it once in 9 years. Below the LSU average if you look at LSU history. From 1908 through 2004, LSU averaged a season with fewer than 2 losses every 7.46 years.
So, while Miles may be a very good coach and wins lots of games, he rarely has a great season by LSU historical standards when looking at losses. No matter how loaded we are with talent, he just can't seam to lose fewer than 2 games. Do you think this can change in the next few years with the loaded freshman class coming in or should we expect more of the same from Miles
I read this whole thing just to find out that spiderman doesn't have a clue how to use percentages.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:11 pm to tigerpawl
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Teams that won at least 10 games last year: 19
Can you provide more context? There were over 120 D1 teams. How does that % compare historically?
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:12 pm to spslayto
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spslayto
Is Miles really that great historically in terms of losses per year?
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People like to tout that Miles has six 10-win seasons and LSU only had 13 or so prior to his arrival. This is not an accurate measuring stick b/c for decades LSU only played 10 or fewer games and the schedules of the last 20 yrs or so are stacked with 3 automatic wins.
So 11-2 seasons are terrible? Saban only had one season here with fewer than two losses.
Inaccurate. Actually, Saban only had 'ONE' season in his five seasons at LSU where he lost less than THREE games (2003 / 13-1). He lost 4 in 2000, 3 in 2001, 5 in 2002, 4 in 2004....
Miles has beaten more Top 25 teams than any other SEC coach since 2006 - 25.
Miles is the second winningest CFB coach in the nation since 2005.
Miles has lost 3 Saturday night games in Death Valley: Ole Miss in 2008, #1 Florida in 2009 and #1 Bama in 2012.
(2005 Tennessee was on a Monday Night, 2007 Arkansas was a day game that went into OT, 2008 Alabama was a day game that went into OT.)
In all, Miles has lost 7 home games in 9 years.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:12 pm to SportTiger1
quote:This is a purely subjective question: Does a reasonable chance to win the NC every year mean anything? Should LSU (with coaching; talent; facilities; fan base) be expected to be in the running every year? How do we stand this year. Last year? Previous years? (Yes - I'm too lazy to look it up)
As others have posted, winning percentage means a lot more than number of loss per year considering how many more games are played now...
I love Crystal Balls (or whatever the new one is made of).
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:16 pm to Lester Earl
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He's good, not great. 2nd best coach in our history
I would say great but not elite. Good suggest average. He is better then the average coach IMO. He runs a program pretty darn good.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:16 pm to tigerpawl
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Does a reasonable chance to win the NC every year mean anything? Should LSU (with coaching; talent; facilities; fan base) be expected to be in the running every year?
Based on history the answer is no.
Unfortunately for LSU, this run has also occurred during Bama's reign of terror. Bad timing for LSU and who knows what we'd be celebrating if the SEC offices were in Baton Rouge.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:18 pm to Kingpenm3
Win percentage is skewed b/c there are at least 3 games on the modern schedule which are automatic wins. It is virtually impossible for LSU to lose these 3 games. Those 3 automatic wins bloat the win percentage.
For example, lets look at Les' typical 3 loss season (He averages 2.66 losses per year so I rounded up). A 9-3 regular season gives him a win percentage of 75%. Remove the 3 automatic cupcakes and that makes it a 6-3 season against actual real opponents who could actually beat LSU. That's a 66% win percentage. Big Difference.
For example, lets look at Les' typical 3 loss season (He averages 2.66 losses per year so I rounded up). A 9-3 regular season gives him a win percentage of 75%. Remove the 3 automatic cupcakes and that makes it a 6-3 season against actual real opponents who could actually beat LSU. That's a 66% win percentage. Big Difference.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:18 pm to deSandman
you should see him on the OT
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:20 pm to spiderman
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People like to tout that Miles has six 10-win seasons and LSU only had 13 or so prior to his arrival. This is not an accurate measuring stick b/c for decades LSU only played 10 or fewer games and the schedules of the last 20 yrs or so are stacked with 3 automatic wins.
This part is valid. Playing more games makes it easier to win a given total number of games.
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Miles has only had 1 season with fewer than 2 losses. Since LSU started playing at least a 9 game schedule they have had 14 seasons w/ fewer than 2 losses: 2011, 2003, 1987, 1969, 1962, 1961, 1958, 1946,1936, 1933, 1921, 1916, 1913 and 1908. Miles has only managed to do it once in 9 years. Below the LSU average if you look at LSU history. From 1908 through 2004, LSU averaged a season with fewer than 2 losses every 7.46 years.
This is exactly contrary to the point you made in the first paragraph. The point is that playing more games makes it more likely to win AND lose a given total number. Playing 13 games makes it just as much harder to lose fewer than 2 as it makes it easier to win 10 or more. You are arguing with your own logic.
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The true measuring stick for Miles is losses per season.
No, the true measuring stick of success in winning the most and losing the least, regardless of how many games you play, is winning percentage. In winning percentage, I think Miles ranks ahead of all other LSU coaches who have coached more than a couple of years.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:20 pm to spiderman
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Win percentage is skewed b/c there are at least 3 games on the modern schedule which are automatic wins
Because there were no cupcakes before the modern era.
Posted on 8/21/14 at 3:24 pm to spiderman
Can we get this alter frick banned please? Registered on the site for a decade and suddenly begins making negative anti-Les bullshite threads literally out of nowhere this year. He's already shown what his schtick will be. Please take him out now before the season starts.
This post was edited on 8/21/14 at 3:25 pm
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