re: I think those that want Orgeron gone..

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Doing what he has done in his first three years was monumental

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2019 was amazing but there it ends.

2017 (9-4/6-2) and 2018 (10-3/5-3) were the results that got Les Miles fired. 2016 (6-2/4-2) somehow got Orgeron hired even though the administration fired Miles partway through the season supposedly so they could attract a great candidate or just not have a harder time firing Les for winning games down the stretch (but still losing to the Florida and Alabama level teams).

2020 is the worst season at LSU in more than 20 years. And we were gifted an incredibly easy slate with games against Vanderbilt, South Carolina, and Missouri on top of a gimmie game against MSU. Losing against the better teams in the SEC sucks but it happens. In a normal season LSU would be staring down the barrel of a 2-6 or 1-7 conference record with only a close in division win against Arkansas

They’re losers who have nothing else going for them.

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all of us would be capable of making bad hires

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Then it’s a dumb statement.

Name one coach who has hit on every hire ever

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Name one coach who has hit on every hire ever

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This is also a dumb statement.

But as an example while Miles offense was a crime against football his 5 DC hires at LSU were Pelini who did well that time won a NC and got a HC job. The Co DC that didn’t work was quickly corrected. John Chavis who did very well here Kevin Steele who was not nearly as bad here as rantards think it who has nonetheless done very well at Auburn and Dave Aranda that’s at worst 3-2

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Have likely never led anything themselves.

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Christ Is doing what you have to do hiring a defensive coordinator that hasn’t been one in 13 yrs? Or hiring linehan who has been an abortion everywhere he’s been ?

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He won a national title and had the greatest season ever this calendar year.

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yes. And followed that up with one of the worst.

2019 was Burrow and Brady, but they’re both gone. Great coaches sustain success, but it’s being proven that 2019 was an anomaly

. Just like Chizik with Cam and Gus.

I have led a department of professionals for several years and I want O gone. None of what you say explains the attrition. His pictures in bed with a woman shows incredibly poor judgment. Are the rumors of alcohol abuse true? He's one of the highest paid coaches in football, he's suffered several blow out losses and he's lost control of the team.

I would have had several meetings with him by this time. For the good of the program I would tell him to pursue his excellence elsewhere.

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This is pretty stupid. You don’t win 15 games beating 7 ranked teams on just talent. Alabama and Clemson at a minimum had comparable talent.

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They did have comparable talent. But they did not have Joe Burrow. That was the clear difference in those games. We have Tua or Lawrence in those games and they have Burrow, who wins?

All I am saying is don't fall in love with the guy over one great year. Gene Czik had an awesome 2010 too. Pump the brakes on 2019 and look at the years before and the year after. Do those years on their own say he elevated LSU as he promised?

I am good with another year because 2020 was a mess. But, that should be it. He needs to survive the Title 9 stuff (I hope does. I don't want to believe the worst of that).

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All I am saying is don't fall in love with the guy over one great year. Gene Czik had an awesome 2010 too. Pump the brakes on 2019 and look at the years before and the year after. Do those years on their own say he elevated LSU as he promised?

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You are confusing me with others

1 great season doesn’t give him a life time pass but it seems like you are going a little far in the other direction. No one wins without talent. But O had a hand in getting those guys, especially Burrow to LSU and he did hire Brady

ETA you are also shifting the goal posts, you said look at the draft how much coaching skill was needed, my answer is you don’t win on talent alone.