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re: I heard on the radio this morning coach O wanted to go back to pro style

Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:01 am to
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:01 am to
O is dumb. Pro style ain't working again in college without elite talent at all positions.
Posted by El Magnifico
La casa de tu mamá
Member since Jan 2014
7017 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:02 am to
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if Canada got everything he's rumored to have wanted
Which was?
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171024 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:04 am to
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Many, including players, have said LSU doesn't beat UF or AU without that loss.


and that loss doesn't happen it O doesn't meddle. We don't know what happens in the other games if we steamroll Troy like we should.

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Like I said, if Canada got everything he's rumored to have wanted, LSU would have been killed by UF.


A. We don't know if that's what he wanted.
B. Florida was terrible this year.
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You started by saying you don't want O having input. You said you'd trust the proven guy. Then you said O should have input because he's the head coach


Still being intentionally obtuse. He should not have the input he clearly had that cause the AD to sit him down.

Of fricking course he should be able to do his head coaching duties, but he should not be telling Canada to stop the motion or dictate what formations he should use. He lost that game trying to be something he's not, an OC.
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
6509 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:09 am to
First of all, let me state that I think O was a terrible hire. Should have hired Aranda imo.

Now as far as Canada and Ensminger.

Ideally, Canada stays because I think a second year in his system would reap some rewards.

However, he's going to leave at some point and there are clearly personality issues with him and O and the staff.

The one positive of Ensminger is stability. He's not going to go anywhere else. But is he any good?

I actually liked last year's offense. Yes, they were terrible against Bama. That's one game and with the way the OL was manhandled, I don't think any OC could have succeeded. The OL can have the highest PFF rating or whatever but they got whipped in that game.

Florida wasn't bad. O screwed that game by playing Fournette. Then there were some fluky turnovers in the red zone, and a goofy play by Donte Jackson and Guice.

They pretty much dominated the game. It was a weird one.

The narrative that the offensive play calling against Florida sucked is inaccurate.
Posted by Fus0623
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2015
88576 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:20 am to
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we have plenty coaches and NON football ignorant posters who post here whether you realize that or not. speak for yourself please. thanks.

This. Not everyone here sat in the stands on Friday nights
Posted by TheHat7
Member since Oct 2015
7189 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:32 am to
Do people understand that Canada ran a pro system at Wisconsin Pitt and Lsu ? Just because he motioned guys and ran 3 wide doesn’t mean it’s a spread. He ran TE’s 2 backs and Full backs in the Hback spot. This is pro personell
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
4987 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:33 am to
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(I'm to understand Rogers and Terrance Marshall are a package deal?)....


Not even close, go read the any recruiting site. TCU isn't even in Marshall's top 3 and Canada is not going to flip Rogers
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68295 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:36 am to
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O was in freakout mode. I think he knows that with a new offense and one so drastically different from the one they ran last year will need time to settle in. I think he saw that as the year went on.


Here is a problem though. I don't see Brennan in this offense. If that's who they want to go with, they will need to throw the ball. Canada's offense is much better with a QB as a threat to run.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33793 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:37 am to
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Funny that you ignore AU. Which would be considered a great win. And they aren't garbage.


Fine, are you willing to trade losing to Troy for beating Auburn, a great win? What difference does it make when the bad loss keeps us from capitalizing on the great win? It's a wash.

And UF is who I was calling garbage, and yes they were/are.
Posted by Fus0623
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2015
88576 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:48 am to
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Do people understand that Canada ran a pro system at Wisconsin Pitt and Lsu ?

Buddy have you seen these post? Obviously no. I’ve said this before, on this board people think that if you don’t come out in a I-Formation you are considered a Spread “Gimmick” I wish people would do a little bit research (Google) on offensive concepts but that ain’t happening
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 9:17 pm
Posted by tigertex1992
Houston
Member since Apr 2014
1863 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:15 pm to
I thought we still ran some plays essentially with a fullback. Isn't there one with Williams blocking for Guice?
Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
5972 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:19 pm to
O needs to stfu. He's doing exactly what he said he wouldn't when he got the job. We would have been better off with Canada or Aranda as the HC. Seeing all of these hiring searches really brings back painful memories and pisses me off.
Posted by tigbit
Member since Jun 2011
2800 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:21 pm to
I thought the deal was that the Coordinators make the call!!!

Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10431 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:30 pm to
LSU has athletes that can run a variety of offenses. The problem is that when you focus too much on film study and not enough on actually practicing plays (which is what O pushed), you are going to struggle, especially early on.

O's plan/strategy on how to run the program made things worse then they really needed to be.

He knows almost nothing about offense, yet people want to blame Canada when O interferes and he gets pissed. O sounds like a guy that knows he didn't deserve this job and feels he has to prove himself again. That isn't a shocker.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26585 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:40 pm to
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There is a huge difference between Pro Style offense and what LSU has run under Miles, what we ran under Miles wasn't remotely close to Pro Style, that was just run, run, pass, punt. A Pro Style offense could definitely work if it is run correctly. You don't have to run the spread to be an effective offense.


Lol, look at Michigan's pro style offense and tell me you want that shite? Nick Saban's pro style relied on extremely stout OL, big elite backs every year, and an extremely accurate game manager QB. Even then, the offense wasn't special, or explosive.

LSU needs a complete overhaul. Get rid of the pro style and start a spread immediately next year. Air Raid with a power run game, spread option, Baylor spread with the 4 WRs as far to the sideline as they can get, power spread, etc. LSU needs to go all in on passing first. I would love most to run what Clemson ran with Boyd and Watson, or what Oklahoma ran the last two years. LSU is always going to get the backs to excel in any offense, so we need to find a guy who is pass happy. A guy that throws it 30-35 times a game in a wide open offense with 4 and 5 WR sets.

Louisiana has the talent to run an offense like this every year, we just need to fricking DO IT!
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26585 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 1:04 pm to
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Do people understand that Canada ran a pro system at Wisconsin Pitt and Lsu ? Just because he motioned guys and ran 3 wide doesn’t mean it’s a spread. He ran TE’s 2 backs and Full backs in the Hback spot. This is pro personell



That's the main reason why I didn't want Canada in the first place. I'm tired of being behind the times with a pro style offense. Look at his offensive numbers over his career outside of the year when he already had good QBs in systems that fit them like Harnish and Peterman. I like the fact that he is flexible and can work with what he has, I just don't want a pro style offense whose only wrinkles are jet sweeps and a thousand motions. if he can run something similar to what he did at NIU, then I'm all for that. Both Harnish and Peterman were dual threats, and both were accurate passers.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
16748 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 1:18 pm to
The gumps stuffed the frick out of Ensminger’s offense with Fournette and Guice.

Wonder how they’ll do against Brossette and CEH?
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
29901 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 1:31 pm to
We used a fullback a lot this year. Just because he wasn't lined up in the I doesn't mean anything.

Tory carter and JD Moore played a lot of football this year.
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
Member since Jan 2014
7027 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 1:47 pm to
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He wants to run that type of offense which leads to the question, why in the hell would they want to hire Canada then. Why, because it was a rushed decision in doing so.


You guys keep this kind of talk going and your going to get TigerRee in here madder than a wet hen. According to him, Coach o hasn't made a bad decision or made a bad move yet as the head coach.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72354 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 1:49 pm to
Ahhhhh yes. Tiger wee wee REE REE. dude has to be a relative of O. no other explanation lol.
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