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re: I hear there's going to be a student march on campus tomorrow to protest
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:50 am to geauxgrrl
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:50 am to geauxgrrl
People are so stupid. How is the institution responsible for the behavior of the students? Does LSU promote violence toward its students or staff? How does it perform an investigation? What is the process?
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Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:56 am to LSUStar
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People are so stupid. How is the institution responsible for the behavior of the students? Does LSU promote violence toward its students or staff? How does it perform an investigation? What is the process?
The issue isn’t that it happens.
The issue is that we may not be Title IX compliant. Are we doing what we should be doing to investigate and deal with rape and sexual assault after they are brought to the universities attention.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:59 am to Penrod
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If Johnny Frat Boy gets in trouble, fewer Johnny Frat Boys come to LSU.
quote:you think it's stupid to think that a university that's known to have a lot of sexual assaults might suffer a decline in enrollment from students and parents that don't want their kids going there?
That’s pretty stupid, bro!
It seems like solid logic to me. Thus there's an incentive for schools to sweep things like this under the rug. Not saying it happened here, just saying there's an incentive for that to occur, and you're terribly naive if you can't see that.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:00 am to geauxgrrl
I remember they marched about the purple and gold confederate flag too.
Marchers gonna March
Marchers gonna March
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:15 am to Mithridates6
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see tons of left-wing students saying that they want the fb program dismantled.
link?
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:24 am to H-Town Tiger
search twitter or fb old man
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:46 am to BrerTiger
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One of the young ladies in the USA Today story said she still had classes with the dude she claimed had violated her. I can definitely get why it would be infuriating to see him walking around campus, let alone in the same classroom with you.
So, based on a claim he should be suspended from school and not allowed to go to classes with her?
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:54 am to geauxgrrl
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the lack of action on behalf of victims of sexual assault by LSU authorities. It seems these alleged coverups were not just related to athletes but other students as well. Big ole black eye on the university.
The problem is legitimate sexual assault is pretty rare. These people think a drunk guy at Fred’s hitting on them is sexual assault and they want the University President fired over not doing anything about it.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:00 pm to The Boat
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These people think a drunk guy at Fred’s hitting on them
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:19 pm to chinhoyang
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So, based on a claim he should be suspended from school and not allowed to go to classes with her?
Per the article, the school already determined he was at fault:
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LSU in June 2019 found the frat member responsible for sexually assaulting both women, case records the women shared with USA TODAY show. At every stage of the appeal process, LSU upheld the guilty verdict.
Yet even after finding him responsible twice, LSU refused to switch him out of the classes that he and Andries were set to share during the upcoming, fall 2019 semester, emails show. Instead, Andries said she was told that she would have to be the one to switch, because she was “the uncomfortable one,” and he had the same rights as her.
So my words may have caused confusion but the article makes it quite clear that the school found him guilty per the process in place. If they had not found him guilty of anything, I would concede your point.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:32 pm to geauxgrrl
I know a poor schmuck in the physics department who was dealing with a female stalker. She broke into his house and sexually assaulted him when he was getting out of the shower, and attempted to meddle in his relationships because he didn’t want to date her. He went to student affairs to report her harassing him, so she filed a false report that he raped her. He wasn’t allowed to introduce any evidence on his behalf (of which there were mountains of evidence of all the crazy crap this girl did), but he was basically run out of the department and effectively kicked out of school. He even went to the police but was pressured and physically threatened to drop the charges.
His abuser went on to graduate and get hired by the student affairs office.
I 100% support the students in marching in protest of LSU’s corrupt and incompetent office of student affairs. I hope they burn the whole f$&king thing down. They’re worse than useless.
His abuser went on to graduate and get hired by the student affairs office.
I 100% support the students in marching in protest of LSU’s corrupt and incompetent office of student affairs. I hope they burn the whole f$&king thing down. They’re worse than useless.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:46 pm to geauxgrrl
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Big ole black eye on the university.
Say that 5 times fast
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:09 pm to SammyTiger
So LSU, and other institutions of "higher learning", are now de facto police agencies? Absurd.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:13 pm to geauxgrrl
I get that people are different, but this whole thing of letting a coach or school handle a rape or assault case is ridiculous.
If Drake Davis or Guice had done any of that shite to my daughter, they would still be missing.
If Drake Davis or Guice had done any of that shite to my daughter, they would still be missing.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:41 pm to since61
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Some of the victims are very afraid of retaliation.
Then they wouldn't say anything. These people told LSU staff so they definitely didn't fear retaliation.
For some reason a lot of these girls told staff, but didn't want to press charges. It makes no sense.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 3:15 pm to Housplants
quote:But the victim on the tennis team didn't go to their coach. A counselor at the rehab program she went to brought it to the administration, well after she was already dismissed by the team.
Whether the victim going to the police is a better idea that going to someone they trusted (their tennis coach) is immaterial.
Once the student went to the tennis coach, the tennis coach has mandatory reporting duty and the University is responsible for investigating the case. This is not debatable.
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Also, it should not be debatable that when the head football coach learns that one of his players has been accused of this, he has to take action. What apparently went on with Guice and Davis (and the others) is outrageous. Orgeron not taking action signals to every player on the team that the rules of society do not apply to them and that they can take whatever they want, including from unwilling women.
Davis was reported to the administration and it seems like Oregon didn't know what happened with Guice as, once again, the victim never reported it.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 3:17 pm to Datbayoubengal
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For some reason a lot of these girls told staff, but didn't want to press charges. It makes no sense.
It makes complete sense. They don’t want to testify in legal proceedings. Just get the word out and get away. These girls are scared shitless and embarrassed. We’ve only heard about a small number of assaults. A huge percentage never get reported for these reasons as it is.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 3:38 pm to geauxgrrl
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the lack of action on behalf of victims of sexual assault by LSU authorities. It seems these alleged coverups were not just related to athletes but other students as well. Big ole black eye on the university.
Haven't you heard? Fake news! Fraudulent claims by members of the cancel culture! They're trying to end college athletics! Commies!
Posted on 11/18/20 at 3:43 pm to sabes que
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Which I don’t understand, disclaimer I’m not a woman, but I feel like if you get raped, do you really care if the person is kicked out of school? If you were raped you should want them in jail.
agree... and Clay Travis got in hot water about his comments but they were spot on... he said "Regret isn't rape" Many women have told me over the years that this is the vast majority of these cases... but everyone is so quick to come out and look like the knight in shining armor... everyone is against rape, its horrible, but these things need to be investigated before being released because accusations can cost people everything..
Posted on 11/18/20 at 4:00 pm to TigerFan55555
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agree... and Clay Travis got in hot water about his comments but they were spot on... he said "Regret isn't rape" Many women have told me over the years that this is the vast majority of these cases... but everyone is so quick to come out and look like the knight in shining armor... everyone is against rape, its horrible, but these things need to be investigated before being released because accusations can cost people everything..
I scanned a lot of this thread but not all so apologies if I am repeating this point. Also this is not to weigh in on either side of the violence against women. I have a daughter and son that both are LSU alums.
The point I wanted to raise is that nobody seems to remember when TitleIX came out many schools adopted severe and draconian policies that grossly disadvantaged the accused. As a result several institutions were sued for denying due process especially to state funded institutions. I dont know if that issue is in play in any of these cases or not but that can make the schools position look like inaction.
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