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re: How many of you were won over by O yesterday?

Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:24 pm to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
60042 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:24 pm to
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Except when it doesn’t fit your narrative, like you did all offseason



I mean, wut? I judged him off of his performance last season.

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Judging by your post on the last page, you surely aren’t standing by them. But you don’t really have a choice to lol



Oh, I stand by them. O was a horrible hire on paper, and his first full season at the helm was lackluster. We're all just crossing our fingers that it works out. Again, I hope it does.

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Results are not always the best predictor in sports as you are learning the hard way


Oh Jesus Christ.
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
7280 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:28 pm to
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How many of you were won over by O yesterday?


Never had any animosity towards O. I hope Alleva gets lucky with this hire. But it was a very risky hire, for reasons that have already been discussed to death.

That said, I hope O and LSU go undefeated. I would love that kind of redemption story for him. And he HAS successfully addressed glaring weaknesses in special teams from last year (kicking game). That’s easier said than done, and it looks like he got it done.
Posted by Damseyrarrar
Bunche Village
Member since Oct 2016
379 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:32 pm to
Mo Jeaux what part of football do you enjoy? We’re getting results now. Enjoy them maybe? At what point do the doubts and endless criticisms ruin the journey to get the results we all want? If you don’t enjoy that part, what part do you enjoy?

I only ask bc I’d like to understand the mindset. It seems there’s no fun in it if this win brings you to a msg board to point out and defend your perceived negatives.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17902 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:34 pm to
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Lester Earl


I didn’t even bother reading this thread earlier but the last few pages have been pure gold. All the usual suspects doing mental gymnastics and splitting hairs about how they’re not technically wrong after the constant shite talking all summer. Keep on fightin the good fight.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:34 pm to
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Except when it doesn’t fit your narrative, like you did all offseason



We talked about MSU, ND and Troy all offseason. It fit my narrative perfectly.

What happened last season that the critics failed to give him credit for?
This post was edited on 9/16/18 at 8:36 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
79897 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:41 pm to
Im just noticing these "call out" posts. When having concern about the progression of the offense was actually reasonable.

And still is...

Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
60856 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:46 pm to
It's good to have threads like this.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68737 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:49 pm to
I’ve been an O supporter from day 1. Sure I had and still have doubts that he can be as successful as I want a coach to be at LSU. With the conference we play in and against the talent we face every week is wanting to compete for titles every year realistic? Alabama is ridiculous with what Saban has built. I do think O is making the right moves to make us competitive but fans need to be realistic. The 3-0 start has been amazing especially when considering we have a new qb, new OC, new rb’s and new offense. We still have 9 games to go and Bama and Georgia look great. A&M and State look pretty good so these next 9 games will be tough. I will be watching how we improve and play in those games more than what record we have. The optimist in me thinks 11-1 is possible but the realist thinks 9-3 is possible AND we could still be a great team with that record depending on how competitive we are. My point is I don’t see why any O haters would joe won over yet.
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
16907 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 8:55 pm to
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Results are not always the best predictor in sports as you are learning the hard way

Wait...what?

Gene Stallings is the only head coach to win a national championship at his second job with a winning percentage near as bad as Orgeron's at his first job. And he still won a SWC championship and Cotton Bowl at A&M.

If Orgeron wins championships for LSU, the turnaround will be unprecedented in the profession. The concerns and criticisms on this board weren't manufactured out of thin air.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285226 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:05 pm to
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Why do you be more specific instead of speaking in generalities?

What specific criticism of mine did you find particularly egregious that has been thoroughly and completely disproven?




I don't specifically remember details about your posts from 5 months ago, the only thing that stands out to me regarding you is your cheesy schtick you have when you comment on anything positive with "well then we should win ______(10/11/12) games then no excuses!!!!1". And then continue to disparage said positive news.


Again, all offseason there were arguments surrounding this team and expectations not specifically related to any games last season.

2 specific instances come to mind

Peter Burns was on campus around spring practice saying positive things that he saw at practice, and there was a long thread here with the same cast of characters contending that what he saw could not be true

#2, I posted this graphic numerous times this offseason citing that it was reason for some of our troubles last year, but more importantly how it would be great experience for our team coming into this year.

There are people here, especially recently that keep wanting to say how they just want LSU to win; but when i posted this graphic, all any of you wanted to do was discredit it. How can people that love LSU discredit that? That is how much your O hatred clouds any type of judgment you have on this program.

Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285226 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:09 pm to
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Wait...what?




Let's see, you'll want to cite his Ole Miss winning %, and how terrible it was...

But then you blink, and this happens:

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Since his Ole Moss stint, Ed Orgeron is 24-8 as head coach of a team, interim or permanent - 75% winning clip.



75% is pretty damn good, and certainly not relative to what he did at Ole Miss, is it? AT some point you'll realize you can't keep comparing the situations.


as far as future predictors, look at the graphic in my last post about freshmen snaps. That was on a team that won 9 games. O has a strong recruiting class coming in next year. Really strong. But you want to keep talking about Ole Miss. Coach O is building a damn sound process, which is producing results.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94373 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:13 pm to


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What happened last season that the critics failed to give him credit for?



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The team is successful at the moment. You give credit to Aranda. Constant backhanded comments about Orgeron and insinuating that it’s not O’s coaching that’s getting the job done. No full credit to O whatsoever. You dance around it as much as humanly possible.

Yet, before this run when things weren’t exactly going the way you’d like to see it, O is in charge of the program. This is all O’s program and he’s responsible for everything that goes along with it....


Except when it’s successful?

Seems to be your stance.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:14 pm to
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I don't specifically remember details about your posts from 5 months ago, the only thing that stands out to me regarding you is your cheesy schtick you have when you comment on anything positive with "well then we should win ______(10/11/12) games then no excuses!!!!1". And then continue to disparage said positive news


Why do you have a problem with expectations? Expectations are a privilege.

You don't think this current team should be held to a standard, especially now? We just went into Auburn and beat Auburn. You don't think that raises the stakes, or will you be satisfied if they hit the over on Vegas win totals this season.

This is a 10 win team and anything less given the remainder of this schedule would be a disappointment.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285226 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:18 pm to
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Why do you have a problem with expectations? Expectations are a privilege.




I Don't have any problems with expectations.


but for some reason you think people should take your seriously when you say you expect 10 wins when the tone of your posts suggest LSU is a 6-6 team.
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
13644 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:19 pm to
Not yet. Will take a SECWest title for that to happen
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
86903 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:21 pm to
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when the tone of your posts suggest LSU is a 6-6 team.


This is a load of shite. He's been very consistent with his expectation of 10 wins. He was skeptical 0 could get it done, which really isn't all that unreasonable.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33833 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:21 pm to
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I Don't have any problems with expectations.


but for some reason you think people should take your seriously when you say you expect 10 wins when the tone of your posts suggest LSU is a 6-6 team.


I don't know what you heard the "tone" of my posts say but the standard has always been to improve upon last season. Pretty sure I've been consistent on that take.
Posted by Drlasa
Member since Feb 2016
151 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:26 pm to
no one cares if you ever do
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
98687 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:28 pm to
It's literally the title of the thread.
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
16907 posts
Posted on 9/16/18 at 9:28 pm to
I didn't even mention Ole Miss by name, yet you're defending him for it.

I've repeated this ad nauseam on here, but it doesn't matter what he does at LSU relative to what he did at Ole Miss. He was tasked to bring this program back to a championship level.

I posted in Spring 2017 that I was optimistic. He lost that optimism last season, with good reason. The start to this season has regained my optimism, but it's silly to criticize other posters for not being convinced yet, especially after only 3 games.
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