re: Happy 63rd Birthday to Edward James Orgeron Jr

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What sealed Ed’s fate was letting Scotty boy pick a useless dc.

Then he chased the Joe Brady offense

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OK

The rise and fall of Orgeron's LSU career is a great example of the consequences of baseless hubris.

In 2016 Ed was NOT a candidate for any major conf. HC jobs, nor was he ever going to be. He knew that. Then he takes over the HC job after Les's firing. It was an unanticipated opportunity to audition for the now open LSU job. He knew that opportunity was going to be his last and only chance of ever potentially becoming a major conf. HC again. So he politicked his arse off.

First order of business....get the endorsement of the current players. They didn't like Les's physical game week practices. O immediately ended them. Second order of business, win the support of the fans. For years the fans screamed about Les's refusal to change his offense. So the first thing O does to excite the fans was fired the OC. The special teams also happened to suck that year as well. So O fired the ST coach for good measure. O also needed a campaign manager. So he hires a damn radio talk show host to be his personal assistant. What interim coach hires a personal assistant? Let alone one with ZERO experience in the college football world The third order of business was to get the support of the former players. Many of those guys felt Les blocked them out of the program. So what does O do? He has them leading the team into the stadium! Finally, he wanted to get the local media behind him. Les notoriously limited their access. O opened the gates to all media who want to attend practice...anytime.

Despite his best efforts though, O wasn't the first choice for the permanent HC job. He probably wasn't even the 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice. But he had a decent season and made his pitch with the infamous "binder". Still, the reality is but for LSU having the absolutely laziest AD in America O wouldn't have been hired. Herman was the choice. When he leveraged LSU for the Texas job Alleva got pissed and wanted to prove a point. So he ran to the podium the day after Thanksgiving to hire a HC that he literally could have hired a week before the start of the 2017 season! For his part, "the binder" had a good pitch. O was going to do what Les wouldn't...stay out of the way. The 2016 defense was good with a big name DC. O was going to keep him. The Les offense was antiquated. O was going to bring the "spread"...or "pro style"...or both. Basically whatever the fans wanted. And he was going to do it with a splash by hiring Lane Kiffin.

Not surprisingly, Kiffin didn't come. But O had a big campaign promise he had to keep. He needed a "big name" OC. Resume, fit, personality, etc, didn't matter. O just needed a "name". He hires Matt Canada almost sight unseen. This, despite the fact Canada didn't run a "spread" or "pro-style" offense. Three games in to 2017 LSU gets embarrassed by MSU and whatever honeymoon O had was over. He blames the OC and his "weird" offense. O decides he's going to fix the problem (even though he has little understanding of offense) and forces Canada to change his approach for the Troy game. The MSU embarrassment quickly fades when O stumbles upon a new embarrassment of losing to Troy. Recognizing he knows nothing about offense, O reluctantly lets Canada do his thing for the remainder of the year because he had no other option. LSU has a decent season. But O wants Canada out. Any dissention towards O is not tolerated.

With Canada gone, O was going to revolutionize the LSU offense again. He does it by hiring a guy who had already been on staff during the Miles tenue, had not been a OC in two decades, and DIDN'T EVEN WANT THE JOB!!! :lol: Not surprisingly, LSU's offense in 2018 was relatively mediocre. Even though LSU has a solid season, both O and his OC know they have to change. O falls into Brady coming on to assist Ensminger. The selflessness of Ensminger to give the offense to a young coach, coupled with the presence of what we would soon learn to be generational talent leads to one of the greatest seasons in CFB history. One that O mostly fell arse-backwards into because he was essentially just a cheerleader who rubber-stamped what the DC and OC did. O played NO role whatsoever in the overall approach or play-calling on offense or defense. He could have literally been listing to 102.5 FM on his headset during the game.

O wins COY and gets a big raise. With it comes a massive ego inflation. In 2016 he was humble. Knew his previous mistakes. Knew his strengths. Knew his weaknesses. He knew he was best suited to be a recruiter and motivator, while letting more intelligent coaches handle the intricacies of developing a good offensive and defensive approach. After 2019 O believed his "football mind" was as good as any coach in America. That's why when Aranda left O didn't need to find a great DC. He just needed to bring someone in to run HIS 90's Miami/00's USC fan fiction "attacking" 4-3 defense. That college football had changed a lot since then and that LSU may not have the personnel to do so didn't matter. O was the COY. Why should you question him? He also didn't like the fact that his two (relatively) young assistants left. His solution was to hire older coaches. It did not matter if those coaches had no market demand whatsoever (for good reason). Did you see the 2019 season? O's football knowledge reigned superior and he had the hardware to prove it. 2020 and 2021 set the program back to lows not seen in two decades.

ALL Orgeron had to do was stick to the binder approach that even though initially ridiculed, ultimately worked. Recruit at a high level. Hire the best DC and OC he could find and let those guys completely dictate the approach and play-calling. Even if that approach may differ from what O preferred But he couldn't. 2019 proved to him and everyone else how great of a football strategist he is. That's why a national championship winning HC hasn't gotten even a sniff for another major conf. HC job. If O could have accepted his role he'd still be LSU's HC today.

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Also, didn’t Arnsparger only win the SEC because Florida really won but wasn’t allowed to play in the bowl for recruiting violations? So he didn’t even win that.

You are a fricking clown.

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No. We won it all on the field in '86 fair & square.

First SEC title since '70. We went 5-1 in the SEC. Only loss was 19-21 vs OM because Browndyke missed a short FG FTW near the end. UF wasn't that good in '86 so you're out of line calling someone else a clown.

The '86 team featured Tiger greats:
Tom Hodson
Eric Andolsek
Nacho Albergamo
Wendell Davis
Eddie Fuller
Brian Kinchen
Henry Thomas
Karl Wilson
Toby Caston
Eric Hill

It's telling when someone honors the dishOnOrable while demeaning the honorable '86 SEC Champs.

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In 1984, LSU finished second behind Florida, nosing out Auburn by a single game. However, the Southeastern Conference (SEC) presidents voted to bar Florida from postseason play due to NCAA rules violations and awarded the conference's automatic berth in the Sugar Bowl to LSU instead.

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I was referring to the 1984 team, not 1986. You are also a fricking clown.

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If you are arguing that Les Miles was a great coach, I’ve already won. Miles lost 5 straight to Alabama after the 2012 abortion when he squandered the talent of a loaded team.

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I didn’t say he was a great coach. I wanted to fire him after 2009. You fricking said Orgeron was and he had 2 fricking losing seasons and lost to fricking Bama every fricking year except 2019. At least Miles beat Bama (and Saban) at a higher percentage than Orgeron. Orgeron was 1/5. Then had 2 losing seasons with all that talent. Miles never had a losing season.

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What did they name after Arnsparger because according to you he was Defense Jesus and likely the love child of John Heisman and Vince Lombardi.

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three of them you fricking dumbass…
"I was saddened to learn of the passing of Bill Arnsparger, who I thought was one of the greatest defensive coaches in football," Shula said in a statement. "He molded two championship units, the 'No-Names' and the 'Killer B's,' and was innovative in the way he used personnel.

"He pioneered situational substitutions with the '53' defense that changed the way the game was played on that side of the ball. If there was a Hall of Fame for assistant coaches, he would be one of the very first inductees."

That bastard hired Steve Spurrier at UF BTW. He fricked LSU because of leaving us and then getting spurrier.

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Also, didn’t Arnsparger only win the SEC because Florida really won but wasn’t allowed to play in the bowl for recruiting violations? So he didn’t even win that.

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You’re fricking even more ignorant than I thought. That is categorically false. UF was 6-5 that season and Hall was terrible. I attended every game that season.

None of that changes the fact that Ed fricking Fat arse Shrimp boot wearing backwater swamp rat was one of the bottom 3 coaches in my life time. He is barely above Archer and Hallman.

Def had some good times leading up to the '19 season. Coach had passion and drive and the energy. He wanted to win. The '17, '18 and '19 season had some amazing moments.

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IDGAF what anyone says, the Ed O experiment, against all odds and conventional wisdom, was a goddamn success.

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no.

2019, as glorious as it was, was an outlier. The stars aligned for O with Burrow and Brady for that one year. After they left, it all imploded.

Even poor coaches can catch lightning in a bottle. Gene Chizik says hi.

Still can’t believe this mf had one of the greatest seasons ever.

Geaux Tigahs