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re: Good point by Doug Thompson on Culotta earlier...
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:43 am to tonydtiger
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:43 am to tonydtiger
Some of them simply can't throw strikes. They have no control. Of those that do, many of them have no movement on their fastball (see Money). It's maddening. I don't understand how many poor pitching evaluations wound up on the same roster.
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:44 am to tonydtiger
I do think outside of Ty and Skenes the pitches called need to be less about striking guys out and more about filling up the zone and relying on your defense to make plays.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:44 am to Lilqueeviewonder
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But when it’s the entire bullpen, you gotta look to the coaching.
Right, but I'm beginning to wonder, given that we lack attention to detail in other areas, if we're looking at the right coaching.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:46 am to AlwysATgr
quote:Its similar to what we saw last year. Heavy FBs first time through the lineup then heavy reliance (regardless of count) on the offspeed second time through. Skenes… it doesn’t matter much what you throw but it’s been more apparent with Floyd, Hurd, and the bullpen.
What are you seeing that makes you say that?
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:48 am to tonydtiger
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But in the other 12 innings of the series, LSU put 10 different pitchers on the mound. Those relievers combined to allow 22 runs on 25 hits. They walked 12. And they struck out 19.”
I cut and pasted this from another thread down below.
Our relievers let batters put the ball in play 41 times (12X3+25-19Ks-1 double play).
I could be wrong somewhere but 25/41 is way better than what Thompson quoted.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:50 am to ell_13
It’s not like they are walking guys because they hit their spot 2 inches off the black or threw a great breaker in the dirt. They are going down 2-0/3-0 with pitches the batter doesn’t even have to make decision on.
Pitch selection isn’t why Hurd and Little weren’t able to throw a strike this weekend.
Pitch selection isn’t why Hurd and Little weren’t able to throw a strike this weekend.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 8:53 am
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:51 am to IM_4_LSU
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pitches called need to be less about striking guys out and more about filling up the zone and relying on your defense to make plays.
I enjoy watching a pitch to contact guy work.
Throw a whole inning with 7 pitches. Two ground balls and a shitty little pop up.
They ain’t gonna walk you. They want you to hit it.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:52 am to Coldcushcush
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it seems like when most of our guys throw strikes the other team gets hits. that 72% isn't holding up. maybe their strikes aren't good strikes. a lot of that is they get behind in counts so often that they come down the pike with a hittable fast ball.
Bingo.
When it is constantly 1,0, 2-0, 2-1, 3-0, 3-1 that’s going to skew the averages. And our pitchers live with a 2-0 count.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:53 am to tonydtiger
I’m guessing it depends on the count.
0-0 one can get any pitch
3-1 you’re most often getting a fastball down the middle…
We get behind a lot of batters.
We are walking a lot of batters.
We are making the batters job easier.
0-0 one can get any pitch
3-1 you’re most often getting a fastball down the middle…
We get behind a lot of batters.
We are walking a lot of batters.
We are making the batters job easier.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:55 am to upgrade
There's a bunch of guys in the big leagues right now that pitch this way. 89-92 fastball, effective off speed stuff, changes eye level, can locate on both sides of the plate. No matter how good the hitter is, the pitcher always has the advantage. Our guys have no confidence in their ability to locate or execute.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:56 am to ell_13
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Its similar to what we saw last year. Heavy FBs first time through the lineup then heavy reliance (regardless of count) on the offspeed second time through. Skenes… it doesn’t matter much what you throw but it’s been more apparent with Floyd, Hurd, and the bullpen.
We have so many relievers that throw breaking balls as their primary pitch.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:56 am to doubleb
Maybe it shouldn’t be. Collins has a really good FB. He was very successful with it yesterday.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:57 am to Lilqueeviewonder
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After Skenes and Floyd, nobody can consistently throw strikes.
Money can. It’s insane to me that he only threw 1.1 innings the entire weekend and got pulled because he gave up 2 hits.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:58 am to ell_13
I'm gonna respectfully disagree on pitch calling. Doesn't Johnson also call Skenes' pitches ? IMO, with the exception of Skenes, LSU's relievers have no mental fortitude and cannot locate pitches. Skenes is on a different planet because he already knows he will win every batter match-up, and he can locate exactly where he wants around the plate. Sadly, the other pitchers are aiming pitches, and they have no control over location. Visibly apparent based on the number of walks, hit batters, and horrible ERA. From a psychological standpoint, the LSU relievers are already defeated mentally and are pitching scared.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 8:59 am to Got Blaze
quote:It doesn’t matter what Skenes throws if we are being honest.
Doesn't Johnson also call Skenes' pitches ?
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:00 am to LSBoosie
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Money can. It’s insane to me that he only threw 1.1 innings the entire weekend and got pulled because he gave up 2 hits.
He gave up two hard hit balls. One of them was caught.
With a bullpen full of guys having a crisis of confidence, why pull the guy that oozes it, even when not always deserved?
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:00 am to ell_13
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Maybe it shouldn’t be. Collins has a really good FB. He was very successful with it yesterday.
I don’t disagree.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:02 am to ell_13
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Maybe it shouldn’t be. Collins has a really good FB. He was very successful with it yesterday.
He also has a decent change up.
It's like they don't see the value in throwing a pitch even if it's not "great".
Having more pitches in an arsenal, even if they aren't maximized stuff wise, still has a lot of value. At the very least it's one more variable the batter has to account for.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:03 am to tonydtiger
Throw first pitch strikes! A lot of it is the relievers don’t have electric stuff, then can’t throw 2 pitches …. Or at times even 1 for a strike.
With a 9 run lead there’s not any excuse. Throw fastballs all day and let the defense work.
With a 9 run lead there’s not any excuse. Throw fastballs all day and let the defense work.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 9:05 am
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:03 am to tonydtiger
If you’re missing pitches over the fat part of the plate and have either low spin rate or no movement, that 72% is false in the SEC….
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