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re: Good point by Doug Thompson on Culotta earlier...
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:04 am to ProjectP2294
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:04 am to ProjectP2294
I was ready to call the Hurd experiment done after Saturday night, but with the way the rest of our pen performed yesterday, we might actually need Hurd as scary as that sounds.
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:06 am to IM_4_LSU
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I do think outside of Ty and Skenes the pitches called need to be less about striking guys out and more about filling up the zone and relying on your defense to make plays.
I think this is it! At this point in the season, you've got to take this mentality and hope your offense can do enough to win. If not, tip your cap to the other team and move on! But, for the love of all that is Holy, stop the merry-go-round of free passes!!!
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:06 am to JiminyCricket
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When you’re constantly getting down 2-0, 3-1, 3-1 etc
It’s exactly this. Don’t know if they have these statistics for college baseball, but go look up the hitting percentages in the MLB when a count starts 1-0. Drastically higher than when a count starts 0-1. Same for 2-0 and on
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:07 am to UpToPar
I think we are letting a pre-approved approach dictate too much of the pitch calling. Instead of letting a pitcher throw what he’s most comfortable with on any given day, he has to make pitches in bad counts that seem to be meant for swing and miss rather than strikes. Just what I see. And it seems to be happening more often 2nd time through the lineup. Even Skenes has been using this approach but he can do no wrong with his velocity and movement.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 9:08 am
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:08 am to tonydtiger
Thats my thing. At this point in the season we are what we are. And with the injuries to Taylor, Edwards, and Shores we have lost guys that dominated opposing teams.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:08 am to ell_13
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pitch calling.
Pitch calling isn't walking guys at a high rate.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:10 am to jpainter6174
Except it might be.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:11 am to ell_13
I don't disagree that the pitch calling has been part of the problem, but there's also no excuse for college pitchers to not be comfortable throwing at least two pitches. Even Floyd's breaking ball looked like arse on saturday. He was locating his fastball well enough to overcome that though.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:12 am to geauxtigahs87
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We have a 9 run lead and Little is walking guys on 4 pitches
I said it before when they announced the transfer. Vanderbilt, who seemingly shits Major League
pitchers after breakfast every morning, isn't letting a pitcher walk to another SEC program if it saw real potential in him. Someone there would have made sure he stayed.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:13 am to tonydtiger
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That's what I say!! There are 8 other guys on the field with you, give them a chance to make a play! ?
It feels like we tried that by the relief pitchers giving up 25 hits to Miss St.
It feels like it doesn't matter if the bullpen throws strikes. If they throw strikes they get blasted by homeruns off the scoreboard.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:13 am to UpToPar
quote:I disagree with this completely. It’s the best it has looked all year.
Even Floyd's breaking ball looked like arse on saturday.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:14 am to ProjectP2294
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What are the chances that two highly respected pitching coaches come in and suddenly forget how to call pitches?
Who is the second? Jason Kelly? Cuz coach Kelly made lemonade last year with a pitching group of mostly lemons.
Hell his Friday pitcher threw and 86 mph fastball, he basically didn't have a second starter (let alone a third) and he relied on 4 or 5 unheralded relievers to shut the door almost every game and it looked 1000% better than we look this year with a bullpen full of highly rated recruits and transfers.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:16 am to PoppaD
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feels like we tried that by the relief pitchers giving up 25 hits to Miss St. It feels like it doesn't matter if the bullpen throws strikes. If they throw strikes they get blasted by homeruns off the scoreboard
At least you make them have to hit the ball. If they smoke the ball, at least they had to do something athletic. I can stand there and take 4 bad pitches and trot to first.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:18 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Who is the second? Jason Kelly? Cuz coach Kelly made lemonade last year with a pitching group of mostly lemons.
Hell his Friday pitcher threw and 86 mph fastball, he basically didn't have a second starter (let alone a third) and he relied on 4 or 5 unheralded relievers to shut the door almost every game and it looked 1000% better than we look th
is year with a bullpen full of highly rated recruits and transf
Yes. And while I agree with everything you said, people still took issue with his pitch calling. Especially with Ty Floyd.
I'm starting to wonder about the level of autonomy the pitching coaches have.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:18 am to ProjectP2294
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What are the chances that two highly respected pitching coaches come in and suddenly forget how to call pitches?
Idk how does a highly respected pitching coach call 16 breaking balls in a row when Collins is in and struggling to get a ball over the plate with 2 men on and no outs in a close game. How does he call a breaking ball on 3-0 when Little can't find the strike zone with a GPS? There are countless other questional calls as well
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:21 am to LSBoosie
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After Skenes and Floyd, nobody can consistently throw strikes.
Money can. It’s insane to me that he only threw 1.1 innings the entire weekend and got pulled because he gave up 2 hits.
This!!! Money gets hit..sure. But he competes like crazy and lives around the zone. Inexplicable to pull him 1.1 IP.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:24 am to ell_13
He threw a handfull of sharp ones, but he also spun quite a few in there that never broke.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:27 am to tonydtiger
The problem is they either are getting down in the count or their pitches are not even competitive. Few throw first pitch strikes and no one throws a competitive throw away pitch to entice the batter to swing. Also in Littles and Collins case they rely on their off speed to set up the fastball instead of relying on their fastball to setup their off speed. Consistency with off speed is harder IMO. Little has major mechanical issues. You can tell that because he comes off the rubber leaning towards first base on almost every pitch. A lot of our pitchers also have no movement on their fastballs and they seem very flat and easy to pickup. Pitch calling and development get a F from the guru Wes Johnson.
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:28 am to UpToPar
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but he also spun quite a few in there that never broke.
This. A couple wound up at the backstop
Posted on 5/15/23 at 9:28 am to WigSplitta22
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Idk how does a highly respected pitching coach call 16 breaking balls in a row when Collins is in and struggling to get a ball over the plate with 2 men on and no outs in a close game.
Because Collins can't throw a fastball over the plate because it will be hammered. He called a breaking ball because Little couldn't throw a fastball for a strike either.
Pitch calling is a symptom of what has infected the bullpen but the main illness is the inability to throw strikes and get ahead.
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