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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:07 am to
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:07 am to
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fans were likely wanting their own insecurities about the team calmed more than anything


There are a lot of causal baseball fans that don't really pay attention until later in the season. Johnny's come lately only understand wins and losses. Baseball is a very strategic sport.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
23777 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:10 am to
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I would rather the SEC tourney be a 4-team setup, similar to the Regional format as opposed to what we have now. Put the top 4 teams in the Conference in and get it done in 3 days. If not that, then just the top two teams playing a best-of-3. The current format is too grueling and is actually a detriment to the teams that last longer in the tourney.


Or just run it like the ACC runs their tournament.
Posted by EulerRules
Member since Dec 2019
1480 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:10 am to
At the time of year when a lot of pitchers could use some rest, going deep in SEC tournament could be a liability. Pig ace Hagen Smith went 1.0 inning Sunday against TCU and gave up 8 ER taking his ERA from 2.69 to 3.71. He fared better on Monday giving up 1 ER in 3.2 to get ERA to 3.64. The Arkansas staff yielded 32 runs in 2 games to TCU; 31 ER in 17 innings for a staff ERA of 16.41. Ouch!
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
7057 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:48 am to
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This thread got so many downvotes.

I started a similar thread but didn't get as many downvotes. hehe

its nice to win the SEC tournament but least important part of the season
Posted by trussthetruzz
Marquette, MI
Member since Sep 2020
9236 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:55 am to
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That’s a small data set. You need to go back at least 5 years to draw conclusions, imo.

exactly. LSU has the most national championships in the sec and has the most sec baseball tournament championships
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
5577 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:55 am to
There is no hard evidence one way or the other. Sometimes that's just the way it plays out.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
172079 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:53 am to
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I started a similar thread but didn't get as many downvotes. hehe

I started a similar thread and it had a better ratio than either of yalls ;)

LINK
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
16970 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:56 am to
I like to use it as a way to get some guys some post-season type reps that don't have many and tinkering with some minor lineup changes and if they win you a couple games, that's lagniappe.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
16819 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:07 pm to
Agreed. Also a good way to see how pitchers perform under high stress environments and/or short rest.

I agree it is overrated unless you need to win for seeding. But I also think it is an opportunity for players to work out a few things.

Feels like Crews came out of his slump in the tournament. Perhaps it allowed him to relax a bit as not much was on the line or us?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47216 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:30 pm to
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The results over the last 20 years bare that out.


"Bear"
Posted by McMahonnequin
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2022
537 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:41 pm to
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I'll take it a step further and say making a deep run actually hurts the team in the longrun than helps.

The results over the last 20 years bare that out.


I mean...the last time LSU won the SEC tournament, they made the CWS finals.

I get the whole pitching and rest angle, but personally I refuse to believe that winning baseball games now hurts your ability to win baseball games in the future.
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2278 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:03 pm to
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I get the whole pitching and rest angle, but personally I refuse to believe that winning baseball games now hurts your ability to win baseball games in the future.



Yea, I think the most that can be said is that there appears to be very little upside in a team making its SEC tournament pitching decisions with an eye towards winning the tournament. To the extent you can rest who you want and still win, great.

I think the correct takeaway here is that the SEC has a lot of teams with similar talent levels, and a series of single game matchups where the teams aren't really trying is not the best way to determine which of those teams is the most likely to win a different tournament format where everyone is trying really hard.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
4913 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:13 pm to
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Just like the SEC Basketball tournament. Meaningless.

And soon, the CCGs in football. With the big tournaments in both baseball & basketball… and CFP expanding to 12… there’s an argument to be made that conferences at all is barely necessary at this point.
Posted by St Jean The Baptiste
Laredo, TX
Member since Aug 2015
5828 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:14 pm to
I’m glad this is being said.

In basketball, everyone says, “It’s meaningless,” but in baseball, posters treat Hoover like Omaha.

If one is meaningless, then both are meaningless.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
76693 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 1:15 pm to
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I mean...the last time LSU won the SEC tournament, they made the CWS finals.

I get the whole pitching and rest angle, but personally I refuse to believe that winning baseball games now hurts your ability to win baseball games in the future.


Look beyond LSU.
Posted by Sir Fury
Member since Jan 2015
4881 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:13 pm to
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Or just run it like the ACC runs their tournament.


How do they run it? I haven’t watch their tourney.
Posted by Recoveringcajun
Banjo country
Member since Aug 2022
1949 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:24 am to
It’s only irrelevant if you still live in Louisiana.

If you live somewhere else in SEC country, it’s more important than a natty.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13527 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:34 am to
I think most people were concerned about the team’s play over the last 3-4 weeks of the regular season, not necessarily the SEC tournament.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
3844 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:12 am to
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How do they run it? I haven’t watch their tourney.


They have 4 three-team pods with the 4 pod winners moving into a single elimination semifinal and final. Everyone is guaranteed two games. No one plays more than 4. It just gets a little wonky if a pod ends up with three 1-1 teams and they have to use tiebreakers to decide who advances.
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