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re: Don't you all favor the BCS over the committee?
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:26 pm to TchPowDog
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:26 pm to TchPowDog
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Looks like the committee did a good job in the final rankings
All this proves is that a committee wasn't necessary, and the BCS was capable of selecting a 4-team playoff.
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Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:26 pm to TchPowDog
50% of the BCS is still the AP/Coaches polls which is too much. However, it does remove a lot of the BS with the committee and helps drive wisdom of the crowds. I think there is a lot of group think with the AP and the coaches poll is irrelevant because they don’t have time to watch the games across the country (per the coaches that actually vote in it).
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:30 pm to Sweltering Chill
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Hey, here’s an idea: Why not do like every other sport on every other level does, and just have an actual, honest to god PLAYOFF SYSTEM... not this 4 or 8 team playoff BS.
What everyone on here has bitched to holy hell about and spun conspiracy theories about for the last 2-3 weeks should LSU be 1 or 2 has been seeding. No matter how many teams you have , 4,8,16,32,64,68 someone will have to seed them
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:33 pm to KosmoCramer
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I don't recall they ever used Margin of Victory.
It was a big part of the BCS computers initially. They eventually phased it out because people complained about rewarding teams for running up scores.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:40 pm to TchPowDog
Nothing tin foil about the computers changing their formulas. The BCS made the computers change their original formula to remove margin of victory. With the playoff committee in place, the computers can revert to whatever formula they want. To use the current computer rankings and say that is how they would be calculated under BCS standards is comical.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:44 pm to nvasil1
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It was a big part of the BCS computers initially. They eventually phased it out because people complained about rewarding teams for running up scores.
I'm pretty sure that's inaccurate.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:46 pm to KosmoCramer
Well, it's not. I don't know what else to tell you. 
Posted on 12/8/19 at 8:52 pm to nvasil1
You're right.
Found this in Wikipedia:
From 1997-2003.
Ohio State had an awful MOV in 2002 but there was no other choice since everyone else had a loss aside from Miami.
Apologies for doubting you
Found this in Wikipedia:
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Margin of victory was a key component in the decision of the computer rankings to determine the BCS standings.
From 1997-2003.
Ohio State had an awful MOV in 2002 but there was no other choice since everyone else had a loss aside from Miami.
Apologies for doubting you
Posted on 12/9/19 at 6:13 am to KosmoCramer
In the very early stages of the BCS there was a quality of win factor which if I remember correctly took margin of victory into consideration. Or perhaps it was record of opponent.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 6:22 am to FlaFlash
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I look at that and no way bama or auburn doesn't wipe the floor against 7-10.
Alabama is better than Auburn...
but i agree, Alabama is top 10...easily...
oh well...I am not going to sit here and defend them
Posted on 12/9/19 at 6:22 am to FlaFlash
No, not necessarily. Folks are letting the Bama/Saban aura cloud their judgement. Look with open eyes to see how bad Bama's D was this year compared to their standards and how they fared against any team with a pulse. Aubie lost games vs their most talented opponents except Bama of course. Their offense, except vs Bama, could not do it in fourth quarter when they needed to. Aubie and UA are both ranked where they should be.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 6:31 am to TchPowDog
Would bama have gotten in over Oklahoma with iron bowl win?
Posted on 12/9/19 at 6:33 am to TchPowDog
How can you favor one over the other, when they have both put the same four teams in every year of the CFP's existance?
Posted on 12/9/19 at 6:42 am to KosmoCramer
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Use these and stop the fricking clown show.
This. You can’t sit 15 or however many people in a room (a lot of which never played a down of college football btw) to make a decision on what team is the best without someone‘s bias towards “their team”, intentional or not, effecting the selection.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 6:50 am to TchPowDog
quote:You think Georgia and Wisconsin at 5 and 10 with Bama at 13 is a good job?
Looks like the committee did a good job in the final rankings
You think ranking a 10-1 Cincinnati team at 19, but then two losses later only dropping them to 21 in the final rankings is a good job?
This version of the CFP committee was HORRIBLE!
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 6:54 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 8:57 am to NC_Tigah
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You think Georgia and Wisconsin at 5 and 10 with Bama at 13 is a good job?
Everyone was upset that the committee ranked OSU over LSU based on eye test, yet you think Alabama should be higher and the only argument for them is eye test. They literally beat no one. They only beat 3 teams with winning records and all 3 were 7-5.
So yes not punishing UGA or Wisconsin for losing an extra game to the top 2 teams is a good job. Both have 3 wins over top 20 P5 teams
As for Cincinnati again they are not punished for losing an extra game against a ranked team and they are ranked in the other polls. The next teams in others receiving votes were SMU, UVA, KState and A&M who lost their last 2 games one of those by 43
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 8:58 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:26 am to TchPowDog
I'm just glad the final regular season rankings are out and it doesn't matter anymore.
Of note: OSU's opponents are ranking net +5 while LSU's opponents are ranked -5 versus the BCS rankings. With the biggest difference being Florida (-3) and Iowa (+3)
Of note: OSU's opponents are ranking net +5 while LSU's opponents are ranked -5 versus the BCS rankings. With the biggest difference being Florida (-3) and Iowa (+3)
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:32 am to Canwoodtiger
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Aubie lost games vs their most talented opponents except Bama of course. Their offense, except vs Bama, could not do it in fourth quarter when they needed to. Aubie and UA are both ranked where they should be.
Auburn beat Oregon in their season opener. Florida and Auburn should be ranked higher.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:49 am to Powerman
That was a true freshman QB (Nix) at a neutral site and the season opener. He ran for the winning score. Offensive line played horribly bad...all season long.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:52 am to KosmoCramer
quote:as I previously posted, an eye test is necessary, given that there are 130 teams with only a 12 game schedule, so there's extremely little crossover games. I mean, how in the world can we tell if Team 1 out in the west is better than Team 2 in the east, from different conferences, if they didn't play each other, have no common opponent, and their opponents had no common opponent?
So eye test?
It's not like a pro league with 30 teams and many crossover games, where playoffs slots can be determined (pretty fairly) by W-L records. That doesn't work in college, with so many teams and so few crossover games.
So some other mechanism is necessary to determine ranking teams, even if they have identical, or similar records.
As long as there's a rational explanation, with data and metrics, then I can live with it. I mean, there's really no simple answer.
And by the way, we've had a committee deciding playoff invitations and seeding for Div. 1 basketball and baseball, and for the FCS football playoffs for decades. No one seems to bitch much about any of them.
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