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Curious to see how Baker combats read option from USCe, TA&M, etc.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:25 am
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:25 am
What groupings will see the field in this look from opposing offenses? Very hopeful that new portal talent at DE will be a big difference maker, along with a healthy Perkins.
For you coaches out there, help a non-coach fan understand how to best stop the run?
For you coaches out there, help a non-coach fan understand how to best stop the run?
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Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:28 am to champj3
I don't know, but that's why he's paid the big bucks. It's been a problem since House in 2023, and they've had another offseason to get the right personnel in place and get it figured out.
Disappointing is an understatement if we see Milroe-type stat lines and drives this year from dual threat QBs.
Disappointing is an understatement if we see Milroe-type stat lines and drives this year from dual threat QBs.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:38 am to champj3
If we would have been able to stop running QBs in 2024, we would have played for an SEC Championship and likely would have made the playoffs. It's as big of an issue as we have going into 2025.
I think the group that needs the most improvement is the safeties. There were far too many long runs given up because Sage Ryan, Major Burns, and Jardin Gilbert either whiffed on a tackle or came way too far up the field instead of being patient and making the simple tackle 10-15 yards down the field. It's not the sexy play, but we'd all rather line back up with a 1st and 10 on the 50 rather than line up at the 3 yard line for a PAT. We put so much pressure on Whit Weeks to be perfect in stopping the run because there was no safety help behind him.
I think the group that needs the most improvement is the safeties. There were far too many long runs given up because Sage Ryan, Major Burns, and Jardin Gilbert either whiffed on a tackle or came way too far up the field instead of being patient and making the simple tackle 10-15 yards down the field. It's not the sexy play, but we'd all rather line back up with a 1st and 10 on the 50 rather than line up at the 3 yard line for a PAT. We put so much pressure on Whit Weeks to be perfect in stopping the run because there was no safety help behind him.
This post was edited on 7/28/25 at 10:44 am
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:40 am to champj3
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For you coaches out there, help a non-coach fan understand how to best stop the run?
I'm not a coach, but it's a mix of scheme, talent, experience, and gap integrity.
Usually big runs happen when one player abandons their zone to try and make a play. If they miss the tackle and their zone is empty, the runner is usually gone unless you have a safety with elite closing speed.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:45 am to champj3
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healthy Perkins
Why does this matter? Perkins struggles against the run heavily. I'm hoping he's turned it around, but the man needs space to work in and gets heavily bullied when people get hands on him. Watch the Nicholls game from last year, focus on Perkins and youll see what Im talking about. He got so frustrated that he threw a punch that luckily wasnt flagged.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:46 am to The Pirate King
Exactly right, it's about players being out of position and not playing their man with zone read, DE/LB getting out of position and not reading QB makes the zone read work, just do ur job and not try to do too much
Posted on 7/28/25 at 10:52 am to BadatBourre
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Why does this matter? Perkins struggles against the run heavily.
He's talking about defending QB read option runs. He was very good at that because he could run down opposing QB's in space.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:03 am to champj3
Last year’s issues with running QBs were a combination of poor technique and poor talent. Sure, guys were out of position a lot but many of the times, those guys were trying to compensate for weaknesses at other positions. We had players on defense who could not get off a block, could not make a tackle in space, could not make the proper reads. This year should be light years better in terms of scheme and players who can physically win one on one battles. I don’t see us having the same issues this year.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:06 am to BadatBourre
quote:He wont be playing in the same position. If Perkins has done anything great it is run people down in space.
Why does this matter? Perkins struggles against the run heavily. I'm hoping he's turned it around, but the man needs space to work in and gets heavily bullied when people get hands on him. Watch the Nicholls game from last year, focus on Perkins and youll see what Im talking about. He got so frustrated that he threw a punch that luckily wasnt flagged.
The biggest issue is we were unable to play zones without breakdowns, lack of experience, lack of prep, bad tacklling out of safeties. We should have more experience, we should have better safety play, and we have better edges for sure. But when you had to have DBs with their back to the play, it made it really tough. So hopefully we can 1.) Pressure the QB up the middle, have good edge play to contain, then zone integrity followed by good tackling.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:08 am to champj3
From a personnel standpoint this year's team is night and day better than on the defensive line especially at DT. When Guillory went down last year with we lost our only SEC ready DT. After tthat we simply could not stop runs up the middle without significant help from the linebackers and safeties when playing against SEC athletes and linemen. Teams keyed in on this after the A&M game. It's a credit to our young guys that they shored it up starting with Vanderbilt a bit but even then part of the better play was not going against as talented of OLines and getting OU whose offense was simply not good.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:26 am to champj3
Couple random thoughts.
Pyburn at SDE gives us a good run stopper that knows how to control the edge.
Payton can crash on the WDE side and create enough attention to allow Perk to fill from the star.
Better DT talent, size and depth allows Whit and Key to flow to the ball.
Haulcy is considered a very good run support and open field tackler at safety which has been a problem for LSU.
I think the portal additions were chosen specifically to address our weaknesses against the run and running QBs. Whether it works remains to be seen.
Pyburn at SDE gives us a good run stopper that knows how to control the edge.
Payton can crash on the WDE side and create enough attention to allow Perk to fill from the star.
Better DT talent, size and depth allows Whit and Key to flow to the ball.
Haulcy is considered a very good run support and open field tackler at safety which has been a problem for LSU.
I think the portal additions were chosen specifically to address our weaknesses against the run and running QBs. Whether it works remains to be seen.
This post was edited on 7/28/25 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:28 am to iamandykeim
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I think the group that needs the most improvement is the safeties. There were far too many long runs given up because Sage Ryan, Major Burns, and Jardin Gilbert either whiffed on a tackle or came way too far up the field instead of being patient and making the simple tackle 10-15 yards down the field. It's not the sexy play, but we'd all rather line back up with a 1st and 10 on the 50 rather than line up at the 3 yard line for a PAT. We put so much pressure on Whit Weeks to be perfect in stopping the run because there was no safety help behind him
I agree.
While the safeties weren't the ONLY problem with the defense, it was certainly the biggest. Ryan was awful in every facet. He wanted no part of contact. On the flip side, Burns and Gilbert would hit people (for the most part), but the tackling was often bad as guys would just bounce off of them. The unit as a whole always seemed lost and the fact LSU had no one to replace any of the guys above spoke to the roster issues.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:36 am to champj3
I think alot of the issues last year were the LB's and notiable the safeties not have any sort of gap integrity.
Just about every game you would see the S come up and be on the same line as the LB. We ran ourselves out of the plays over and over again.
But you had Major and Ryan back there, which I'm hoping was the problem.
Just about every game you would see the S come up and be on the same line as the LB. We ran ourselves out of the plays over and over again.
But you had Major and Ryan back there, which I'm hoping was the problem.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:46 am to Alt26
quote:Here’s a guy who tries to strategically position himself so that someone else will have to make the tackle.
Gilbert
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:53 am to champj3
I don’t see the problem as a scheme issue. Better assignment discipline , tackling , and physicality on the LOS should eliminate the long plays and minimize gains in general. It seems like we have had assignment discipline and tackling issues since Aranda left. Both improved last year, but need to do so much more this year in order to make the playoffs.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 11:56 am to tigerinthebayou
I would like to see Perkins as spy on obvious throwing downs against mobile QB and rush 4, drop 6. It's his highest and best.
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:10 pm to champj3
He better spend extensive camp time on developing a game plan for running qbs. Good lord they were awful last year
Milroe 185 yards 4TD
Reed 63 yards 3TD
Sellers 88 yards 2TD
336 yards 9TD and that's with Sellers and Reed only playing half those games (and it may have only been 1 quarter for Sellers )
Milroe 185 yards 4TD
Reed 63 yards 3TD
Sellers 88 yards 2TD
336 yards 9TD and that's with Sellers and Reed only playing half those games (and it may have only been 1 quarter for Sellers )
This post was edited on 7/28/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:28 pm to Lsuhoohoo
You mean Milroe, right?
Posted on 7/28/25 at 12:44 pm to champj3
A big reason for the success running QBs had against hs last year was due to the pathetic safety play. Go watch the Bama game, didn’t do anything special, they simply attacked our safeties on QB sweeps. And it worked every time.
Hopefully the overhaul at safety with Haulcy can give us a presence back there to shut it down.
Hopefully the overhaul at safety with Haulcy can give us a presence back there to shut it down.
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