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Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:14 am to The Eric
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If we are going to treat college like this with NIL then they should be signing contracts that keep them at the school until they are released from their contracts.
Right.
Pros sign contracts and these kids are now being treated like pros.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:15 am to Timeoday
Should lsu make another run at Denver Harris?
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:16 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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Try to explain to me how these regulations would look you think
Oh I don't know. Maybe how it was before this became a mess? How it was before this became free agency on steroids.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:16 am to Timeoday
This has been in place since December. The West Virginia judged granted a TRO ordering that the NCAA could, temporarily, not enforce the 2x transfer penalty. The NCAA then stated they would not enforce the rule for the remainder of this academic year. I don't think there was ever a permanent ruling or the NCAA addressing whether or not they would continue to allow 2x transfers without penalty following this year.
Nonetheless, the NCAA sees the writing on the wall that they would likely lose in court. So I think it's pretty reasonable to believe the rule won't be enforced beyond this year.
When conferences starting signing multi-million, now multi-billion dollar media rights deals, and generating millions upon millions in revenue it stopped being simply an "academic extracurricular" and started being a lucrative entertainment business. The sooner people can accept that fact the sooner things will make a little more sense.
The downside is the above logic really only applies to football and men's basketball. The other sports are more in line with being academic extracurriculars as they don't, alone, generate anywhere close to the revenue football and basketball do. That means football and basketball will continue to have a huge revenue market. The question will be how does a business (i.e. the schools/conferences) survive if they have to keep funding "unprofitable product lines" such as volleyball, golf, swimming, baseball (and most schools), softball, etc.? Will those sports eventually be cut?
Nonetheless, the NCAA sees the writing on the wall that they would likely lose in court. So I think it's pretty reasonable to believe the rule won't be enforced beyond this year.
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The college game will no longer be about the school but all about the revenue.
When conferences starting signing multi-million, now multi-billion dollar media rights deals, and generating millions upon millions in revenue it stopped being simply an "academic extracurricular" and started being a lucrative entertainment business. The sooner people can accept that fact the sooner things will make a little more sense.
The downside is the above logic really only applies to football and men's basketball. The other sports are more in line with being academic extracurriculars as they don't, alone, generate anywhere close to the revenue football and basketball do. That means football and basketball will continue to have a huge revenue market. The question will be how does a business (i.e. the schools/conferences) survive if they have to keep funding "unprofitable product lines" such as volleyball, golf, swimming, baseball (and most schools), softball, etc.? Will those sports eventually be cut?
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:17 am to bradygolf98
Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix…college is better with transfers. Kids transferring multiple times only protects them from lies or unfortunate situations. Everyone wants to be a pro…so you go to a small school (because you weren’t recruited to (say) Bama) and ball out. You get offered a transfer to Bama and you jump at it…you get to Bama and you don’t play…you tuck your tail and try to go finish your career playing for a third school. I have zero problem with that.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:19 am to TigerLawProf
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Time for the SEC, BIG10 and ACC to abandon the NCAA and impose some reasonable regulation on NIL and transfers.
Explain how these conferences will be able to regulate nil and transfers when the courts say they can't.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:19 am to toughcrittercrumb
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It’s always been about the money. The players are finely getting their just due.
That’s fine but they don’t get to have it both ways. You want your just due, that also comes with responsibilities like non-competes, buyouts etc. You don’t get to whine for the benefits of being an employee like profit sharing but fall back on “we’re just student athletes” when it suits you.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 9:23 am
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:21 am to sportsfan
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I couldn't imagine having to recruit an entire roster every single season.
Try weekly, if not daily.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:22 am to JustSmokin
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Explain how these conferences will be able to regulate nil and transfers when the courts say they can't.
I hate to say this but it seems like Aggy had this right to a degree. Players complained on social media that A&M NIL deals made it tough to leave and painted that as a bad thing. My response? Get over it. You didn’t have a problem with it when you signed a 6 figure deal. Don’t cry about it just because the other party to that contract built in some protections for themselves. That’s just business.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:24 am to mcspufftiger7
quote:I'm with you.
I'm already souring on college sports.
My emotional attachment to college sports (particularly football) has been greatly diminished the last few years. The players are mercenaries now.
I watch almost NO pro sports. Zero emotional attachment to pro teams - that's nothing new for me, I've felt that way for decades.
I only watched college football, some college basketball, and golf. Now golf is done - except for the 4 majors.
For me, I've witnessed the death of sports in the last 3 years. It's sad, but I'll now just move on to playing more tennis and golf and entertaining myself. That's actually much better anyway.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:25 am to Timeoday
No problem.
There is a simple remedy.
They want that NIL money, start making them sign contracts, JUST LIKE IN THE PROS.
There is a simple remedy.
They want that NIL money, start making them sign contracts, JUST LIKE IN THE PROS.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:25 am to Timeoday
it keeps getting worse
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:26 am to Timeoday
Sign them to a 4 year contract then sue their asses when they try to leave
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:27 am to prplhze2000
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They want that NIL money, start making them sign contracts, JUST LIKE IN THE PROS.
It’s wild to me that the people offering these NIL deals weren’t putting in more contractual protections in the first place.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:30 am to atltiger6487
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I'm with you.
My emotional attachment to college sports (particularly football) has been greatly diminished the last few years. The players are mercenaries now.
I watch almost NO pro sports. Zero emotional attachment to pro teams - that's nothing new for me, I've felt that way for decades.
I only watched college football, some college basketball, and golf. Now golf is done - except for the 4 majors.
For me, I've witnessed the death of sports in the last 3 years. It's sad, but I'll now just move on to playing more tennis and golf and entertaining myself. That's actually much better anyway.
To each their own, but I've ALWAYS just cheered for the "uniforms"...not the individual players. That is if Joe Burrow was wearing an LSU uniform I'm cheering for him. If he had transferred to say, USC, by fandom for him specifically ended once he was out of an LSU uniform.
It makes it frustrating as a fan because constant roster turnover makes it more difficult to project how good a team is going to be from year to year. Particularly in basketball where a team can go from horrible, to good, to horrible once more all in the span of 3 years. But I don't think the roster turnover makes me less interested because as long as LSU is playing football or basketball I'm tuning in to watch.
And from a players stand point I can't blame them for trying to capitalize financially off of their ability. Particularly, since they may only have a very short window to earn that much money.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:30 am to Gaston
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Kids transferring multiple times only protects them from lies or unfortunate situations
So this only matters for the athletes? Not the coaches that are lied to and put in unfortunate situations because their guy decided to quit on the team and leave because he didn't get playing time immediately?
I don't have a problem with allowing these guys to transfer if/when a HC or even their specific coordinator leaves. But they signed a contract committing to a school.
NFL players in the professional league are held to a higher standard of upholding a contract than college players.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:31 am to JiminyCricket
Everyone is getting bent out of shape for what, maybe 50 or 60 kids a year? Everyone else absolutely enjoys the honor of playing for their team and would do anything to help them win. NIL is great…the stars get paid…but so does the OL/DL and specialists, and they’re happier than pigs in shite to be there.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 9:32 am
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:32 am to bradygolf98
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Oh I don't know. Maybe how it was before this became a mess? How it was before this became free agency on steroids
The NCAA didn't make any changes they weren't forced to though. The courts made those decisions for them. So simply moving to another regulating body wouldn't do anything, when the courts will ultimately decide. I think the NCAA is a joke, but saying simply break from the NCAA wouldn't actually solve anything.
Also, people are confusing people being tied to pro contracts to NIL. Yes, a pro player just can't up and leave, breaking his contract. That same pro player can have NIL deals, and those don't tie him to a place. You can't have a college player on a NIL deal and said deal ties him to one school.
The path to fixing this is way more complex than a lot of you think.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 9:34 am to The Eric
When you sign…. You’re signing for 2 or 3 years. That would curb some of this.
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