re: Coach O: we never set the national championship as a team goal

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Miles was fired because he hadn’t won the west since 2011, he had beaten Alabama since 2011, in his offense was not as productive as anybody wanted.

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Correct.

Had Miles continued to stubbornly hammer the ball into the line on toss dives BUT won the title in 2011 and beaten BAMA a few more times and gotten to Atlanta, no one would be talking about him being stubborn. Hardware solves everything.

He was fired because he started to lose too often, and in particular to the one program we can not afford to lose to and make it to Atlanta.

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Almost 3 years later, and we still haven’t done any of those things. In fact, both the offense and how competitive we are with Bama has regressed.

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Right. And to now hear folks suggest out loud that we need to stop comparing ourselves to BAMA and frankly just forget about beating them while Saban is there ought to have anyone with any integrity hollering. even if you agree with that take, what the frick took so long to come to it, because we were essentially in this same boat with the previous staff. If it was ok to chalk up the BAMA game as a loss now, then why wasn't it then?

Another recruiting nugget for Saban.

You can go to LSU where they don't even strive for championships.

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yeah if only they listened to me and youse advice the team would be so much better! 

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Again, you take a light hearted comment and make too much out of it. I never said they would be better if they took anyone's advice.

well see my post right above yours. I gave them some good advice right there that they should take. Maybe they should take our opinions more seriously.

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Start landing big time cream of the crop recruits in much bigger numbers

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How do you pull that off when you're telling recruits you're playing for second place?

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How do you pull that off when you're telling recruits you're playing for second place?

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Did you read what he said? The actual quote from O I mean. Go read it. He didn't come say what OP claims

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Not just him but none of us. None of us affect the team or coaches any at all. That's why I don't understand why people post some of the shite they post.

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I hear you. But you just got to resign yourself to the fact that that is how this board is always going to be. Hind sight is always 20/20 so that makes posters smarter than the staff and it is way easier to be negative and complain about shite and think you have all the answers than face the reality of a situation. I use to get way more pissed off at the other posters on here but try to let it go as much as I can these days. You are never going to win them over or get them to see your point of view.

edit: I have to add that most of these posters are not 'rational thinking' people. So take that into account also.

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who says its ok? we trying, but sometimes you have to face the reality of a situation.

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This became the talking point less than 90 minutes after getting drummed by BAMA the other night. It then began its journey through the LSU echo chamber of local radio to become part of the narrative following that game. This place was crawling with the suggestion that so long as Saban was at BAMA, they were unbeatable.

As for matching them in recruiting, this too was mentioned as being unlikely, despite any inroads people want to credit Orgeron with making.

Truth is, we've been getting beaten by BAMA for a while now...only now are we talking about facing the reality of the situation and tempering expectations.

Don't get me wrong...I largely was making this point while Les was still here. The whole, "What he's doing at BAMA is unprecedented" stuff. Holding Miles or anyone to what was becoming a completely warped sense of what constituted success given what was happening. It would have been like firing coach after coach because John Wooden kicked their teeth in every year. But I also hate hypocrisy and double standards, and it seems to me that we are now being asked to give Orgeron a pass where we held Miles' feet to the fire...even though Miles had actually won here, while Orgeron hadn't won anything yet. For me, it's about consistency.

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only now are we talking about facing the reality of the situation and tempering expectations.

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I have tua words for you

there was always a shot when you had the Hurts, the Mc's (McCarron, McElroy) the Barnetts and Cokers of the QB world starting at QB for Bama. It just became a lot tougher now. But not impossible.

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edit: I have to add that most of these posters are not 'rational thinking' people

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Bencoleman has been one of the least rational thinking people on here