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re: After reading of Arkys defensive scheme, Pelini lost to MSU
Posted on 10/4/20 at 10:46 am to CharlesLSU
Posted on 10/4/20 at 10:46 am to CharlesLSU
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All he had to do was make a half time adjustment to zone heavy. That’s it. More guys in the backfield and Costellos options go away.
I know it’s a dead horse, but I’m concerned about his hardheadedness and adapting with what you have.
Well I sort of agree with you but I think this should have been worked on during August. Once Vincent opted out, even with Stingley still there, I think LSU should have worked on some 3 man front drop 8 and 4 man front drop 7 approaches. Everybody I heard break down this game talked about playing this with lots of Zone and take away the crossing routes and tackle. I heard Chizik say that on SEC network saying that is how they played it at Texas, I heard from our own Matt Flynn say that talking to his former teammate Harrell who played for Leach at Texas Tech and that is exactly what Odom and Pittman did for Arkansas.
I think LSU went in with this we are going to go 4 man front and blitz at least 1 backer or Safety on every play and play 4 and 5 wides with press man.
Not sure that is the way to play Spread teams. 4 Man fronts with the modern Spread needs to be tweaked. If you are going to play a 4 man front, you better be able to pressure with 4 man front.
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Posted on 10/4/20 at 10:48 am to KC Tiger
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Zone is extraordinarily complex for young players who have not practiced much and have never run it. And for those that claimed "it couldn't have gotten worse"....yes it could. At least we forced them to make a few tight passes into good coverage. Credit their QB, he made them. Yes there were many times their receivers were running open, but against an ill-prepared zone they would have been wide open every play.
Hopefully we can recruit to the level of Arkansas and learn how to run zone....
Posted on 10/4/20 at 10:56 am to CharlesLSU
Pelini will lose more games for us.
As much shite as Miles took for the 2007 team losing two games, that was squarely on BP. Both those games LSU's offense did more than enough to win.
Watching Arkansas run a High School offense to beat us still pisses me off to this day. Not to mention the 4th down when Casey Dick was put back in at QB.
Dude can not and does not adjust.
As much shite as Miles took for the 2007 team losing two games, that was squarely on BP. Both those games LSU's offense did more than enough to win.
Watching Arkansas run a High School offense to beat us still pisses me off to this day. Not to mention the 4th down when Casey Dick was put back in at QB.
Dude can not and does not adjust.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 10:58 am to Elleshoe
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Our corners couldn’t handle man assignments. You think they would have been more successful not fricking up a zone?
Know how I know you don’t have any knowledge about defense?
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:02 am to bstew3006
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Hopefully we can recruit to the level of Arkansas and learn how to run zone....
Playing zone has much less to do with athletic ability than technique and an understanding of the scheme. It takes a lot of practice to understand a zone and multiple seasons to master it. It also requires a great deal of unspoken communication with your teammates, which comes from playing together over and over and over.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:11 am to bstew3006
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Hopefully we can recruit to the level of Arkansas and learn how to run zone...
Teams with less talent play zone more...playing more zone than teams that don’t generally means you have less busted coverages.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:11 am to KC Tiger
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Playing zone has much less to do with athletic ability than technique and an understanding of the scheme. It takes a lot of practice to understand a zone and multiple seasons to master it. It also requires a great deal of unspoken communication with your teammates, which comes from playing together over and over and over.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:24 am to KC Tiger
Your on drugs... these kids have been playing football their whole lives, 7-7, high school, etc.
It’s not as if they have never played zone defense. Plus we had the longest camp in history due to Covid. If we can’t mix man and zone at this level, we’re in trouble. I don’t think it get worse than 600 yds passing.
So Arkansas has better DB’s than us??
It’s not as if they have never played zone defense. Plus we had the longest camp in history due to Covid. If we can’t mix man and zone at this level, we’re in trouble. I don’t think it get worse than 600 yds passing.
So Arkansas has better DB’s than us??
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:27 am to Elleshoe
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You think they would have been more successful not fricking up a zone
If you get paid 2 million fricking dollars a year you have to at least try
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:27 am to Oilfieldbiology
You know, it's not like Pelini didn't have several weeks to prepare for MSU. There are 20 years of game film of Leach's offense.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:28 am to bstew3006
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Some of you think “zone” is as complex as the Saints/chiefs offense. It’s not surprising, most of you think you need a “running” QB to run the RPO.
Yeah, I'm curious how a zone would have given up more than 623 yards and 44 points.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:47 am to CharlesLSU
I had a long talk with my father in-law about this a few hours before kickoff. He is a huge Arkansas fan and said that Arkansas was bringing 4 additional DBs on this trip. Said all you have to do to beat Leach is drop 8.
Proof was evident last night and that is on the coaching staff. Now I will say, did we even have 8 healthy DBs? Pelini might’ve realized we didn’t have the man power and tried to attack. Sucks we lost, but I still believe we win if we had Stingley and a tune up game for the offense.
Proof was evident last night and that is on the coaching staff. Now I will say, did we even have 8 healthy DBs? Pelini might’ve realized we didn’t have the man power and tried to attack. Sucks we lost, but I still believe we win if we had Stingley and a tune up game for the offense.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:48 am to logjamming
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Know how I know you don’t have any knowledge about defense?
I know we played a guy who hadn’t practiced in weeks and another guy that transferred from nicholls two weeks before.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:52 am to bstew3006
O harps on his team of analysts. Prior to the MSU game he even said they already had game plans for each opponent on the schedule.
Who the frick had the MSU game? All it takes is 10 minutes of watching ANY of WSU's opponents the last five years to see that zone was by far the most effective defense. Hell U of Washington had throttled WSU in like five of the last six Apple Cups. Guess what they ran, it wasn't press frickin' man.
I know we are breaking in a lot of new guys who sorely could have used Spring reps, but come on, zone is one of the core concepts of defense, and any DB at "DBU" should be able to at least line up in the coverage.
That one is 100% on Pelini for not putting the players in the best position to succeed.
Who the frick had the MSU game? All it takes is 10 minutes of watching ANY of WSU's opponents the last five years to see that zone was by far the most effective defense. Hell U of Washington had throttled WSU in like five of the last six Apple Cups. Guess what they ran, it wasn't press frickin' man.
I know we are breaking in a lot of new guys who sorely could have used Spring reps, but come on, zone is one of the core concepts of defense, and any DB at "DBU" should be able to at least line up in the coverage.
That one is 100% on Pelini for not putting the players in the best position to succeed.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:00 pm to CharlesLSU
MSU losing to arky makes us look really Bo figure it out!
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:04 pm to Good Times
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As previously stated, sometimes you don’t have enough to work with
That's still on O and Pelini
This post was edited on 10/4/20 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:07 pm to CharlesLSU
Any of 3 different things probably contributed to the outcome on defense in that game.
If safeties had actually played safety.
If corners had not pressed on 3rd and long
If LBs dropped and patrolled the middle of the field
Allowing 300+ yds after the catch in that game was criminal
If safeties had actually played safety.
If corners had not pressed on 3rd and long
If LBs dropped and patrolled the middle of the field
Allowing 300+ yds after the catch in that game was criminal
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:23 pm to BayouCowboy
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The RAC against us is what killed us
Which many times was the result for poor tackling, not defensive schemes.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:28 pm to wahoocs
Why do people keeping saying we played no zone in the game? We did mix it up. My guess is the reason BP didn’t stay in zone is when we did run it we fricked it up. So he stayed primarily man and hoped he could out athlete them. We couldn’t without Stingley
The biggest problem is we didn’t consistently get pressure and when we got burned in man it was on long plays. State had one TD under 24 yards. Giving up big plays is criminal against Leach.
So if you put in a zone heavy game plan for MSU, you waste that practice time for the rest of the season. BP wants to play aggressively, it blew up in our face last week
The biggest problem is we didn’t consistently get pressure and when we got burned in man it was on long plays. State had one TD under 24 yards. Giving up big plays is criminal against Leach.
So if you put in a zone heavy game plan for MSU, you waste that practice time for the rest of the season. BP wants to play aggressively, it blew up in our face last week
Posted on 10/4/20 at 12:48 pm to supatigah
Yeah, not really a matter of overall scheme.
No different than Aranda having Stingley in press vs Smith up by 2 TDs w 90 seconds left.
Harris in position at safety and can’t even slow down a man w perfect angle and on sideline.
Not one crossing route defended or tackled by a LB.
Call the scheme what you want, not beating FL or AL like that
No different than Aranda having Stingley in press vs Smith up by 2 TDs w 90 seconds left.
Harris in position at safety and can’t even slow down a man w perfect angle and on sideline.
Not one crossing route defended or tackled by a LB.
Call the scheme what you want, not beating FL or AL like that
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