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Penrod
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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our #1 option was Justin McMillan,

bullshite! Our #1 option was Burrow. Who knows who our #2 option was. Orgeron knew the QB position wasn’t strong enough, and he fixed it. You were wrong, SFP, and everyone on this board, including you, knows it.


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BayouCowboy
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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oh no i laugh when people bring up Saban's early years at LSU and compare it to Miles 05-07 or O 17-19. just not comparable

Oh I give Saban his due and he is the GOAT. But the bottom line is this: The greatest season in LSU history, the greatest season in CFB history was delivered by Edward Oregon and no matter how much it pains you, no matter how much you try to explain it away, it's still a fact.

I was not a big O fan in the beginning. I thought Jimbo was our best option. My vision changed. And I'm Ok with that.



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Lester Earl
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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also love how skeptics were "wrong" in Nov 2016 because a year and a half later, we got a grad transfer QB from Ohio State with 2 years of eligibility that could play right away (i don't think people appreciate how fortunate and rare having both was


1 I love how you guys always escape praise for landing burrow like it was some automatic thing.

Reality is, they pinpointed him & had to recruit & sell the guy. Knowing what they had wasn’t good enough. The notion that he just got lucky & landed burrow is and always will be an inaccurate narrative to what exactly went on.

2ndly, you say “just how rare it was”..,.well really, it’s not all that rare anymore to piggy back off of a transfer. Oklahoma has done it multiple times & reached the CFB playoffs. Ohio state, Florida state, Auburn have all dipped. I mean it’s really not all that rare. It’s actually has been a pretty safe bet for success for teams ready to win now.


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think i'm more optimistic that you about the direction, especially if Brenna (Miles recruit


If you recall, Brennan decommited after Miles was fired & had to be re-recruited


TexasTiger08
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
It’s the same shitty excuse that was thrown at Auburn for landing Cam Newton or Texas for landing Vince Young.

Great recruiters get these kid to their schools. Instead of acknowledging that, some fans bash it and just say a school got lucky.

It’s pathetic that fans are dumb enough to rest on that shitty reason.


SlowFlowPro
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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It’s the same shitty excuse that was thrown at Auburn for landing Cam Newton or Texas for landing Vince Young.


You think Vince was a transfer?


BayouCowboy
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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Great recruiters get these kid to their schools. Instead of acknowledging that, some fans bash it and just say a school got lucky.

That's become the trend. 3/4 CFP teams had transfer QBs.

Ohio St was so confident in their heir apparent, Heisman ready QB that they went out and got Fields.


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I-59 Tiger
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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I'm not that pessimistic for now


For now. That's all we need to know. You're more excited hoping LSU fails than succeeds.

Life is too short. Just pull for Bama and Saban since Orgeron doesn't meet your standards.


SlowFlowPro
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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1 I love how you guys always escape praise for landing burrow like it was some automatic thing.

it's not that, it's just the quality of QB on the market

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2ndly, you say “just how rare it was”..,.well really, it’s not all that rare anymore to piggy back off of a transfer. Oklahoma has done it multiple times & reached the CFB playoffs. Ohio state, Florida state, Auburn have all dipped.

OU does (i referenced it earlier)

OSU got a true sophomore. not comparable to a ready-made 4th year guy who was developed

Auburn recruited a JUCO. not comparable at all. that's like Mett

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If you recall, Brennan decommited after Miles was fired & had to be re-recruited

because we went after Tua

IT'S ALL COME FULL CIRCLE


SlowFlowPro
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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For now. That's all we need to know. You're more excited hoping LSU fails than succeeds.

before 2019 i said there is no reason why we shouldn't compete for the title if the reports about our offensive change were true


TexasTiger08
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You think Vince was a transfer?


Where did I say he transfer? I said Texas ‘landed’ him. Auburn ‘landed’ Cam. One was a transfer, one was from Madison HS in Houston.

The point is, fans point to star players and make a comment that a program ONLY won because of that guy. They were lucky, etc.

Believe me, I heard that plenty in Texas when VY was Superman. I think we heard it a bunch about Tebow.

Recruiters win future games. It’s simple.


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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O simply does not have the brainpower to make LSU an elite program (esp since we're in the SEC West)


WE know someone else who doesn't have the brainpower to not make a fool of himself.
SFP, stay in your lane bro. ;)


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Penrod
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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we got a grad transfer QB from Ohio State with 2 years of eligibility that could play right away (i don't think people appreciate how fortunate and rare having both was)

He followed Etling. Doesn’t Ohio State have the same setup? Oklahoma has had about twenty in a row. How rare is it?


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XbengalTiger
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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if you don't think having an already-developed QB
Why do you keep saying this when lots of evidence exists to the contrary. Joe had a developed work ethic but was not a completely developed player in 2017 when he entered the transfer portal. He had been injured and had not played meaningful snaps in 3 years.


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
I was one of MANY that were wrong about Orgeron. Heck, losing to Troy nearly put many completely over the edge.


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TigerLunatik
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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Joe had a developed work ethic but was not a completely developed player in 2017 when he entered the transfer portal.

He definitely tweaked his throwing motion. I forgot if it was printed or in an interview, but he was holding his off arm too far away from his body in 2018 and tightened it up going into 2019.


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Lester Earl
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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OU does (i referenced it earlier)

OSU got a true sophomore. not comparable to a ready-made 4th year guy who was developed

Auburn recruited a JUCO. not comparable at all. that's like Mett


Right, but it fits under the same criteria. I don't think circumstance really matters.

This quote below applies.


that could play right away (i don't think people appreciate how fortunate and rare having both was)and he turned out to be a super stud.


Sure they were fortunate. It's just weird that its always like they lucked out. But all these guys are supremely talented. Again. Luck? eh. If LSU was lucky, so is everyone who wins with a QB from another school


TigerLunatik
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
Yeah it's probably fair to say that LSU was lucky that he was available at a time of need. But, you still have to go get him and that's not luck. That's Orgeron's specialty.


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ELVIS U
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
He bet you "a large amount of money", you should try to collect.


Lsupimp
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
I just assumed he would say something reasonable like "yeah, I was a little panicky" or "yeah, I got it wrong when I went Defcon 1 on day one" or "yeah it's not very intelligent to pretend I can predict outcomes accurately". But it's SFP. He will just change the topic and create new ever-changing arguments that can never honestly be resolved. I'm convinced he doesn't even realize he's doing it. It's a character flaw, a blind spot. And I say that gladly admitting he's an ALL TIME HOF poster.

This thread also taught me that there is still a faction of LSU fans that feels like O can not and will not sustain the program with his CEO/Dabo approach to program -building. The Cult of Saban is very fervent. As is the Louisiana Cult of self-loathing (definitely NOT a problem for SFP) lol. Pessimistic people will continue to be pessimistic and optimistic people will continue to be optimistic. Some people will pre-melt, some people will perma-melt and others will never melt.



TigerLunatik
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
We'll see if he keeps the same aggressive approach and allowing the offensive staff to do their thing. Personally, I think he's seen what works and trusts Ensminger so not much will change there. It's hard to beat an ex-NFL head coach as the passing coordinator and another former head coach as DC. I like going to a more attacking defense. As long as he can stick to the same coaching style as we saw in 2019, I don't see any reason that Orgeron wouldn't see continued success. He's always going to get the talent.


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