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SlowFlowPro
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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So you think Burrow has 60 TDs playing for Bama or Clemson?

it's certainly possible but that's only one single stat

Tua had 43 TDs (in only 355 attempts, so fewer attempts per TD) a year prior as a True Sophomore at Bama, so yeah Burrow could have put up some elite stats at Bama as well.



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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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So you think Burrow has 60 TDs playing for Bama or Clemson?


this is a silly standard

Tua threw 43 TDs in 2018 in 355 attempts. Burrow had 527 attempts last year.

ETA SFP beat me to it. Throw it at least 3 first rounders on the OL and 4 WR at Bama.
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
Well it took Saban 4 years to get his 1st NC at LSU and there was no guarantee he was going to continue to succeed:
8-4
10-3
8-5
13-1
9-3
So his success yo-yo'd year to year. It took 3 years at Bama before they became a juggernaut.


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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Well it took Saban 4 years to get his 1st NC at LSU and there was no guarantee he was going to continue to succeed:

holy shit


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i think if we had hired, say, Graham Harrell, we'd have seen a much better offense in 2018 and wouldn't have had to sacrifice much for 2019

i just don't believe we had to be bad on offense in 2018 for our offense to be amazing in 2019



I guess you could "what if" all day long, though. Does Graham Harrell give us the exact same lightning in the bottle results of Burrow-Brady-Ensminger of 2019?

It's just hard to come off a season like that and wistfully think, hey if we had only had __________(somebody else completely different) in 2018 what could have been.

I'll take the progression we actually got, me.


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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So his success yo-yo'd year to year.


Yeah, cause it was the EXACT same situation when he was hired as 17 years later.

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It took 3 years at Bama before they became a juggernaut.


They were 12-0 ranked #1 going into the SEC CG his 2nd year. His 4th year there was his worst excluding his first. since then......


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holy shit

Looking back now of, course you can say he would; however, 4/5 seasons he had 3+ losses. By the standard you hold our current HC to that's a pink slip.


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
brother if you want to compare program building opportunities, we have that already for O (hint: it didn't go well)

O, like Les Miles, took over a well-oiled national brand powerhouse program. Saban had to build that prestige/success at LSU and left the program infinitely better than when he arrived. O will have to have LSU better than the 2012-2017 Bama-level when he leaves to make the same sort of claim


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however, 4/5 seasons he had 3+ losses. By the standard you hold our current HC to that's a pink slip.


1 of those seasons he won the SEC the first ever SEC CG appearance for LSU, he also won 8 his first year after we had won 7 the 2 years prior, not everything can be held to the exact same standard.


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
Remember when LSU having the best season in college football history caused SFP to paint Ed Orgeron in the worst possible light while simultaneously writing weirdly glowing tributes to Nick Saban?

I remember.


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I think SFP did a injustice to himself responding....I thought he'd take the high road but nah he just looks even more silly now. It's the lawyer in him.....he couldn't stand not saying something to defend his ineptitude in this assessment.
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I think SFP did a injustice to himself responding....I thought he'd take the high road but nah he just looks even more silly now.

i primarily replied to an outright lie about O's "vision" in 2016


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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Remember when LSU having the best season in college football history caused SFP to paint Ed Orgeron in the worst possible light while simultaneously writing weirdly glowing tributes to Nick Saban?

Saban is not only the GOAT, but until he retires is our primary competition. the level he gets his program is kind of important to LSU, until he leaves the SEC West


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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1 of those seasons he won the SEC the first ever SEC CG appearance for LSU

let's also be clear, Saban winning the SEC in 2001 was a bigger fluke/luck box than LSU winning the natty in 2019

if that was his ONLY major accomplishment, it would change his reputation dramatically. it took more to cement his legacy

nothing i have said about O in this thread only applies to O . it's the same standard for everyone. long-term success


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
I also love how skeptics were "wrong" in Nov 2016 because a year and a half later, we got a grad transfer QB from Ohio State with 2 years of eligibility that could play right away (i don't think people appreciate how fortunate and rare having both was)and he turned out to be a super stud. So i guess per the OP since something like that is possible though unforeseeable we shouldn't have expressed any criticism or concerns along the way?

I think i'm more optimistic that you about the direction, especially if Brenna (Miles recruit ) pans out, we currently have much better prospects committed/signed than any time since Saban signed JR and Flynn.


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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let's also be clear, Saban winning the SEC in 2001 was a bigger fluke/luck box than LSU winning the natty in 2019


for sure, how ofter does 5-3 win the division? Once? Plus i seriously doubt we beat Florida who skull dragged us at home earlier that year.

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if that was his ONLY major accomplishment, it would change his reputation dramatically. it took more to cement his legacy


of course but when people argue he only had 1 great year or lost 3 4 of 5, not all 3 loss seasons are the same, luck or not we won the SEC and the Sugar Bowl, that counts as a great year, especially when you factor in the state of the program the years before he got here.

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it's the same standard for everyone. long-term success


agreed but people that want to only look at Saban's record and say he wasn't that great here or compare to other coaches are not looking at the full picture and will say I'm just making excuses for him. Not all situations are the same. We'll never know of course how he would have had he stayed but the 2005-07 teams were LOADED and yes they were his recruits. Miles had 3 top 5 finishes and a NC, i don't see any reason to think Saban does not at least do that.


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
When O took over for Miles it was far far from a well oiled machine.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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I think i'm more optimistic that you about the direction

i'm not that pessimistic for now. i think we should be fine next year unless Brennan gets hurt or Bo P is really out of his element as DC in the modern game. not too worried about either

if we go 9-3 without those issues? yeesh


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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of course but when people argue he only had 1 great year or lost 3 4 of 5, not all 3 loss seasons are the same, luck or not we won the SEC and the Sugar Bowl, that counts as a great year, especially when you factor in the state of the program the years before he got here.

oh no i laugh when people bring up Saban's early years at LSU and compare it to Miles 05-07 or O 17-19. just not comparable


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I’m glad you make no choices for the LSU athletic department.


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