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BayouCowboy
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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We'll see if he keeps the same aggressive approach and allowing the offensive staff to do their thing. Personally, I think he's seen what works and trusts Ensminger so not much will change there. It's hard to beat an ex-NFL head coach as the passing coordinator and another former head coach as DC. I like going to a more attacking defense. As long as he can stick to the same coaching style as we saw in 2019, I don't see any reason that Orgeron wouldn't see continued success. He's always going to get the talent.

I think the offense will use the same formations with possibly some wrinkles added by Linehan. I doubt the play calling is as aggressive with a 1st year starter at QB unless Brennan lights it up early. We also need to build chemistry with 4 new OL starters or Brennan will get killed. I also think we will see a heavy RB rotation with Emery-Davis-Price-Curry and some shifting to run-heavy plays in the latter part of games to wear opponents down. I doubt Brennan ever goes under center though (with few exceptions). He didn't in HS and we aren't going back to the old ways.

Defense will be the opposite. Pelini wants to dictate tempo to offenses and will try to press teams into mistakes. The D will give up big plays, but likely force more turnovers.


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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I doubt the play calling is as aggressive with a 1st year starter at QB

I'm just talking about the overly vanilla shite against the rent-a-wins and the conservative stuff with a lead like we did in his first two years. I definitely expect some more running with the stable of backs we have.


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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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This is a weird thread.


agreed. it worked out. it usually doesnt.


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Lsupimp
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
As contrasted to 2019 when there is six minutes left in the half , they have the ball and your only worry is whether you will get 7 or 14 points, lol.


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RidiculousHype
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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SlowFlowPro

I just disagree. You always give reasons for your opinions which is great, but here are 3 areas I think your thinking is flawed:

1) Nobody else wanted Joe Burrow, except us and Cincinnati. You are using the benefit of hindsight to say Burrow was a ready-made Heisman winner and just fell in O's lap. O could have ignored Burrow like the rest of the SEC. But he didn't. And he should get credit for that. And he should get credit for surrounding Burrow with outstanding coaches and teammates to accelerate his development.

2) We are not a 5-win team in 2018 without Burrow. We win every other game except probably @Auburn. The bowl opponent would've been different, so we'll call it a coin flip. Brennan would have been the starter, not McMillan (you can't assume Brennan would have been hurt in this scenario; maybe they protect him more in practice knowing he's the guy).

We also can't assume Brennan would have done poorly in 2018. To match Burrow's production, he needed to pass at a 57% clip with a 16/6 TD/INT ratio. Brennan is talented enough to have approached that.

3) The vision that O sold to Alleva was more about overall competence than specific offensive philosophy. Cracks in the foundation were showing under Miles, and the day-to-day operations needed tightening up. As far as Canada, I think he was a compromise candidate when Kiffin didn't work out. He's the only guy O has ever hired who he didn't know. That tells me someone else had a big say.

Also, the roster in 2017 wasn't built to do what Joe Brady did with the offense. It was built to give the ball to Guice and Williams 40+ times a game and play great defense. The best thing O could do to get to the 2019 Brady/E offense was to gradually move in that direction. And if you look at run/pass % and shotgun % from 2017-2019, that's exactly what happened:



% passes called
2017 35%
2018 41%
2019 53%


BayouCowboy
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
Excellent, well laid out analysis.


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RedTigerRulz
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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all the negative crap you posted about O


You got me confused with someone else. For the most part, I defended him....and you tried to convince me I was an idiot for doing so.

Dont try to spin some dumb shite now to deflect.


HoustonTigerNKaty
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If memory serves there was a nice bell curve of the fan base with idiots representing the top and bottom 25%— those that said “he is one of us give him the job” were just as dumb as those who said “he failed before will fail again”

Most of the fan base where in the mid 50% who said “this was a frikked up process” and hey they were correct. Joe Alleva bumbled every aspect of the coaching change from November 2015 to fall 2016.


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tigerpimpbot
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This thread also taught me that there is still a faction of LSU fans that feels like O can not and will not sustain the program with his CEO/Dabo approach to program -building.


LINK



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SlowFlowPro
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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Nobody else wanted Joe Burrow, except us and Cincinnati.

i thought it was the opposite and these were the only teams he was interested in. O gets credit for getting JB but the opportunity to get him is the lucky part

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Brennan would have been the starter, not McMillan

McMillan was our starter. it's why he left when we got JB

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We also can't assume Brennan would have done poorly in 2018.
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he wasn't performing well enough to beat out McMillan, dude. i expect Brennan to be ready now, but 2 years ago he clearly wasn't

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The vision that O sold to Alleva was more about overall competence than specific offensive philosophy. Cracks in the foundation were showing under Miles, and the day-to-day operations needed tightening up. As far as Canada, I think he was a compromise candidate when Kiffin didn't work out. He's the only guy O has ever hired who he didn't know. That tells me someone else had a big say.

these kind of contradict each other. if O's vision was shoring up the cracks, hiring Canada when it wasn't his choice was further creating cracks. also, hiring E for 2018 is the real issue. plus the "vision" discussion was just to prove O clearly did not want the 2019 offense in 2016 so there is no way he sold that to Alleva. he had two chances to make that chance after Kiffin went to FAU and went in very different directions both times

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Also, the roster in 2017 wasn't built to do what Joe Brady did with the offense. It was built to give the ball to Guice and Williams 40+ times a game and play great defense.

i disagree. the one limiting factor would have been the passing quality of the QB but Etling was a good passing QB

it wouldn't have been as good as 2019, but it didn't have to be. that's the beauty of those styles of offense. they are EASILY implemented and highly adaptive to your roster. LSU as a fanbase has just been primed to think it's too difficult (b/c of 10 years of Miles promoting that idea).



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SlowFlowPro
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Right, but it fits under the same criteria. I don't think circumstance really matters.

JUCOs and grad transfer are definitely different

grad transfer QBs with 2 years of eligibility are very rare. even OU doesn't get these guys

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If LSU was lucky, so is everyone who wins with a QB from another school

there really aren't that many elite talents at QB who transfer out with immediate eligibility

Baker had to redshirt
Murray had to redshirt

Fields was absolute bullshite

Hurts was legit

i'm sure i'm missing some, but what other elite transfers had immediate eligibility? with 2 years?


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rrboy
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
Some of you remind me of the dumb asses that hang onto the rope after they wipe out while water skiing. Admit defeat equals let go of the rope. The more you try to defend yourself the more your cred goes down.


Lsupimp
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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Some of you


Ummm...


dukke v
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
I know thing after reading this thread. SFP has gotten under your skin......


Lsupimp
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
SFP is one of my favorite posters. Definitely not under my skin.


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MONROE
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
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i disagree. the one limiting factor would have been the passing quality of the QB


Russell Gage, DJ Chark and Derrick Dillon are a far cry from Chase, Jefferson and Marshall. Hell, Dillon hardly saw the field in 2019


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siliconvalleytiger
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
So basically you were wrong,


SlowFlowPro
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
i said we had the talent to make the playoffs and we did and i was...wrong?


dukke v
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
Well you could basically say LSU has the talent to make the playoffs the last 10-12 years. So it wasn’t like some kind of bold prediction.


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RidiculousHype
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re: A nice Trip Down Memory Lane or How I Barely Survived Being Excoriated by SFP...
Also wanted to add: Orgeron had us going in the right direction before the 2019 team played a single snap. As I pointed out in July 2019, O had taken us from unranked to #7 in the country from the time he was named interim.


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