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re: 3 Facts about disputed play at home

Posted on 5/25/24 at 6:48 pm to
Posted by CharlestonTiger
Summerville, SC
Member since Nov 2019
484 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 6:48 pm to
So, he brought up a situation that isn't reviewable and then they changed the call based on him asking about it.

Wouldn't that count as a review?

I know it's not a challenge, or replay...but they "reviewed" the call based off of the appeal of the USC coach
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
44082 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 6:54 pm to
That is what I saw.
I was too busy celebrating until I realized something odd was happening. When I glanced back at the tv I saw the sc coach talking to umpire
Posted by MarciMoshes
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2023
312 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 6:54 pm to
Too many people are misunderstanding

Pitcher baulked...runner got home plate
Catcher interfered...batter got 1st
Posted by HighRoller
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2011
4389 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 6:56 pm to
Seems you e misunderstood as well.
Posted by cajunjoey2010
Houston
Member since May 2021
238 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:20 pm to
Umpires screwed up a judgement call all the time. Saints no call was a judgement call. This happens all the time. But umps need to be responsible enough to not make that kind of a judgement call at that intense of a time. Neil didn't do the umps any favors but stepping up to the plate to block the play. He had plenty of time to sit back and catch the ball. To many moving parts for a play that isn't reviewable. Is the batter stepping out the box reviewable. I don't know. Is a balk reviewable, once again I don't know. But the call was out. No huddling after that even when the SC coached met with umps. They should have told him not reviewable. When the umps huddled the Sr umpire should have said stay with the call as out and don't open that can of worms. Case closed. Yes Neil did come close to being in front of the plate. He had no business there the make the play. Even he used bad judgement but Milam made a great judgement call by fielding that final out and still delivered the monster mash. LSU made bad judgement on the appeal by letting their big boy take third on the play. Once again that is on Neil. He young and I hope he learns from all this
Posted by JMMarine
Rayne La
Member since Apr 2023
55 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:26 pm to
It’s not a reviewable play but they called him out in real time then the SC coach complained about it and they reviewed it anyway and overturned a non reviewable play. Those umps are retards.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
10917 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:31 pm to
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LSU made bad judgement on the appeal by letting their big boy take third on the play. Once again that is on Neil.


If they truly believed he didn’t touch home and would get the out, it’s not a bad judgement call to allow the runner to advance.

If they try to make the play on the runner, the appeal is over. So you either try the appeal and get the run back, or “try” the appeal and get the runner out trying to advance giving up the run either way.

On the other hand, it’s a very smart play by SC to steal there.
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
5426 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:37 pm to
I don’t think it’s an automatic strike. I think they just call it as if batter didn’t leave (ball or strike)
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
8495 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:40 pm to
quote:

Too many people are misunderstanding

Pitcher baulked...runner got home plate
Catcher interfered...batter got 1st


the pitcher did not balk.
the play at the plate and rule they used charges the pitcher with a balk, but nothing that Herring did constitutes a balk.
Posted by Tigers0918
Member since Feb 2020
1352 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:43 pm to
quote:

LSU made bad judgement on the appeal by letting their big boy take third on the play. Once again that is on Neil. He young and I hope he learns from all this


Unfortunately no. If we throw the runner out, we can no longer appeal since you can only appeal the previous play. So when USC "steals", LSU has 2 choices:
1. throw him out and just concede that the run counts and you can not appeal.
or
2. let him steal and appeal and hope to win and not count the run.

It is a stupid loophole that gives you a punishment if you want to appeal a play.
Posted by Neilfish
Member since Jun 2006
2720 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:46 pm to
quote:

I know it's not a challenge, or replay...but they "reviewed" the call based off of the appeal of the USC coach


You can ask the calling official to get help on a call, it’s up to that umpire to grant that request.
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12512 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:47 pm to
Does anyone have a video so we can see what happened?
Posted by Chill Pill
Between a Rock and a Hard Place
Member since May 2009
596 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:47 pm to
Oh for fux sake ... it's a balk ... most basic rule about balks is that irrespective of what happens ... all runners advance a base. Did the umps blow the call? Yes. Neal never stepped on or ahead of the plate. But as has been discussed ad nauseum... that's not a reviewable play ... and next year it will. But returning to the basics of the balk call ... the idiots umps got that right ... all runners advance. And because of the additional weird aspect of it being interference on the batter (WTF?), dude gets awarded 1st base. The FACTS of what happened are disputed ... Neal did NOT interfere nor create a balk call. But because they ruled as they did, and AS APPLIED BY RULE, the balk ruling was properly applied.
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 7:54 pm
Posted by lovinLSU
lafayette
Member since Nov 2007
14023 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:47 pm to
I can’t understand how a game on the line such as this game can be decided by an umpire, home plate umpire at that without any review .. they review close plays @1st, 2nd, 3rd base but not at home plate on something crucial not just at the end of any game but all games.. EVERYTHING should be reviewable.. humans do make mistakes such as what we all witnessed today…Neal didn’t step on or in front of the plate until after catching the ball..
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 7:50 pm
Posted by Neilfish
Member since Jun 2006
2720 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:51 pm to
quote:

I don’t think it’s an automatic strike


On a pitched ball, if the batter steps out of the box, the strike zone essentially disappears. It should have been called a strike IF Neal would have caught the pitch normally.
Posted by milkman45
Member since Dec 2013
359 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:51 pm to
they were wrong in no rule ever do you get a run or a base without touching it. otherwise you hit a home run and go back to the dugout. that was a protect the officials answer
Posted by Forever Tiger
Member since Dec 2023
29 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 7:54 pm to
Yeah, they missed an entire body leaving the batter’s box but saw Neal’s foot touch the plate or go in front of the plate.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
58820 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

Good gracious those guys should be fired


They couldn't have cocked up the situation more if they tried
Posted by Burreaux09
Member since Jan 2020
687 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:05 pm to
And yet there are idiots on here saying it was the right call.
Posted by K Baw
W Monroe
Member since Jun 2019
377 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 8:12 pm to
There cannot be a balk with the batter not in the box. They fricked it up. They will never be able to explain that part so they will not mention that little detail.
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