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re: 2 QB system...why can’t we go to this?
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:48 am to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:48 am to tiggerthetooth
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Daniels is going to have make some crucial obvious mistakes before that happens. A lot of folks are waiting for an opportunity to call Kelly racist for taking Daniels out even if there's tons of evidence for such a move which requires extra sensitivity.
He’s making big bucks to win at the highest level. He shouldn’t let sensitivity control him. Saban would have changed QB’s Saturday in a heartbeat if he had Nuss. Even Orgeron knew you had to play a pocket passer in this type of offense. But it’s 2023 and Kelly is from up North.
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:12 am to talmaniandevil_25
I think Daniels would have to lose the starting job first.
Most successful 2 QB systems are a passing QBs most of the time and then a running QB for goaline situations to add an option element.
rarely is it a dual thread with a passer coming in for big passes.
we may run a 2 QB system is Daniels loses the job. I dont think he’s been so bad that’s going to happen yet, but I do think he doesn’t have much breathing room.
Most successful 2 QB systems are a passing QBs most of the time and then a running QB for goaline situations to add an option element.
rarely is it a dual thread with a passer coming in for big passes.
we may run a 2 QB system is Daniels loses the job. I dont think he’s been so bad that’s going to happen yet, but I do think he doesn’t have much breathing room.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:17 am to VictoryHill
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If you watched game 1 and really think Nuss would've done anything behind a line that was getting utterly murdered all game, you're a lost cause, lil guy.
go back and watch sober. the line did it's job overall pretty well. jayden daniels not getting rid of the ball makes the line look worse.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:25 am to talmaniandevil_25
Difficult to imagine how much OP could get wrong, but he damn near got it all wrong.
I love complaints about the QB/offense the week after a 72 pt game.
As for FSU? The better team that night and anyone who thinks Nuss could have changed that is day drinking.
I love complaints about the QB/offense the week after a 72 pt game.
As for FSU? The better team that night and anyone who thinks Nuss could have changed that is day drinking.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:45 am to mcspufftiger7
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Not for the 2 QB system but I would have liked to see them do what they did with Tommy Hodson and mickey Guidry.
It worked pretty damn well with Perrilloux and Matt Flynn also. Perrilloux KNEW he would get in the game on the 3rd series to begin the game and after halftime. And when Flynn was hurt for the SEC Championship, guess who won MVP of the game?
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:48 am to LSUGrad9295
No nabors falling hid that it was late throw and a poor decision.
Good qbs make everyone around them better.
I’m not sure anyone can say that about jd with a straight face.
Good qbs make everyone around them better.
I’m not sure anyone can say that about jd with a straight face.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:52 am to talmaniandevil_25
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n all honesty, why can’t we go to this?
Because with the two QB's we have, you'd be telegraphing every play by who is under center (or in the gun).
Nearly every play with Daniels would be defended for QB run/option first, and nearly every play with Nuss would be pass defense.
Until our OL and running backs gel enough to have a true running threat beyond Daniels, playing 2 QB's would be a detriment to the overall offense, not an advantage.
Better to pick a QB, build around their skillset (if possible, for you JD haters), and develop offensive threats beyond the QB's arm or legs.
And, for the record, water is wet and ice is cold, too.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:56 am to Nado Jenkins83
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Good qbs make everyone around them better.
I’m not sure anyone can say that about jd with a straight face.
What a miserable take. Geez. How about just root for the kid to get better, like he did last year?
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:57 am to mcspufftiger7
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Not for the 2 QB system but I would have liked to see them do what they did with Tommy Hodson and mickey Guidry.
You can go back a little further for another example, if you have enough grey hair on your head.
I remember the Woodley/Ensminger tandem under Cholly Mac. Woodley, the "running QB", would usually start a game, with Slinger coming in later (usually around the second half).
It sorta worked, but the funny thing is that Woodley as a "running QB" is the one that had a somewhat successful NFL career.
That said, this would not work with the two QB's we have, nor in the current state of college football in general.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 12:04 pm to Lgrnwd
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Sometimes center snaps it to JD, sometimes he snaps it to Nuss.
I'd add an extra wrinkle that the QB doesn't know either, the center decides in the heat of the moment and.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 12:17 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:Hodson and Guidry were the only pair I've seen make this work; I don't remember it, but I think Ensminger/Woodley was also a thing.
1) 2 QB systems really only work when one QB gets the lions share of the snaps and the other comes in situationally. I’ve never seen a good team successfully play 2 QBs equally.
The issue with it- Hodson was the starter, and the younger guy with more upside.
Guidry had similar game, and upperclassman who'd already hit his peak (and at the time, was almost as good as Hodson was).
LSU would go with Hodson a couple series, then put Guidry in, and Hodson would then actively watch. The purpose was for Hodson to see what the defense was doing, with the benefit of coaching input as it happened, and then he could go back in and take advantage of it. And they didn't limit what Guidry ran, he'd be as aggressive as Hodson with calls.
I can't see that working with Daniels/Nuss; the defense wouldn't line up the same, so neither guy gets benefit of watching. Nuss will see what the defense does if they're scared of a QB running for 20 yds on a scramble, and Daniels will see what the defense will do if they're worried about aggressive deep passes.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 12:21 pm to talmaniandevil_25
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After watching some of the film on Fla State game
Do you really watch film?
Posted on 9/11/23 at 12:26 pm to talmaniandevil_25
Daniels made vast improvements last season. He's two games in and looked much more comfortable against Grambling. He'll be fine.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 12:53 pm to lake chuck fan
this season will turn on whether Daniels can carry over the positives from the Grambling game
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:02 pm to LSUGrad9295
Actually it’s the opposite.
It’s Optimistic to think Kelly will let Nuss throw the ball when it is his turn
It’s Optimistic to think Kelly will let Nuss throw the ball when it is his turn
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:07 pm to talmaniandevil_25
Only way I see this happening is if the season becomes a lost cause, meaning eliminating in the West. Drop two SEC games, and I can see a 2 QB system instituted. At some point, you have to begin preparing for next year.
This is more of an indication of the expectations for a program like LSU, and less about the players. A Vanderbilt isn't going to make changes because of a couple loses; LSU expects championships and should begin prepping for the next one if it is out of reach for the current season.
This is more of an indication of the expectations for a program like LSU, and less about the players. A Vanderbilt isn't going to make changes because of a couple loses; LSU expects championships and should begin prepping for the next one if it is out of reach for the current season.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:08 pm to talmaniandevil_25
Only at LSU do you have a QB who's in the top 20 in passing nationally and fans want the backup to play.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:09 pm to Scoob
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Hodson and Guidry were the only pair I've seen make this work; I don't remember it, but I think Ensminger/Woodley was also a thing.
The fact that we have to go back this far to find a pair that worked well as a 2 QB system really shows how difficult it is to make it happen.
Dan Mullen said on a podcast the only way it works is if both QBS understand their role and accept it. He said with Leak and Tebow, it was known that Leak was the starter and Tebow would come in for his packages. Leak wasn't looking over his shoulder wondering if Tebow was gonna take his job and Tebow wasn't trying to be superman to try to earn the starting job. They both knew their roles and they both executed accordingly.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:10 pm to talmaniandevil_25
Should have seen how well the 2QB system worked for Auburn against Cal. Hint: It didn't.
Auburn put up 14 against Cal and had 3 turnovers on offense. They couldn't get any rhythm on offense and escaped with a win due to Cal crapping the bed on special teams. The kicker went 1/4 with misses from 42, 42, and 44. Also had a FG wiped off the board due to holding at the end of the 1st half.
Auburn put up 14 against Cal and had 3 turnovers on offense. They couldn't get any rhythm on offense and escaped with a win due to Cal crapping the bed on special teams. The kicker went 1/4 with misses from 42, 42, and 44. Also had a FG wiped off the board due to holding at the end of the 1st half.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:12 pm to LSUTitan99
Our problem is our defense. Lets fix this as a priority immediately.
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