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DT and CB desperation is overblown

Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:21 am
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:21 am
It is remarkable to me for some posters to still be calling for more CBs. There are 13 CBs listed on a typical LSU depth chart for 2024...13! Unless LSU gets a can't miss CB, LSU needs a grand total of 0 more CBs. No more depth is needed. I have confidence in Alexander, Stamps, Toriano, and hopefully one of the OSU guys...Johnson or Brown. BTW, I have no confidence in Sage Ryan in the secondary which I why I left him out. Obviously, not even counting any TR FR phenom that might appear...like a Woodland for example.

Safeties IMO is a little bigger concern...I see Yaites (who can play CB BTW), Gilbert, and Allen as good ones. But I have never been a Burns fan...led team in tackles I believe but that is because so many passes are caught in from of him plus he comes back to remedy a missed tackle with a made one on the same play. LSU has 8 safeties listed on the depth chart for 2024 as of now.

I will admit the DT position needs 1 more good player. I think Guillory will be fine, but Lee hasn't shown me much. Washington is an unknown. But I fully expect Paris Shand who I liked this season to move to DT. And there is some amnesia going on here that LSU DT's in 2023 were more than average...they were not. Wingo in 2022 was outstanding but those torn muscles related to his pelvic area did him in for 2023. And I don't think anyone could possibly state that Maason Smith was anything more than average this past season...obviously not having recovered from his ACL in 2021.

Bottom line: I think the Chicken Little syndrome is overblown here. Sign 1 or maybe a second DT and LSU is fine on defense. Stand pat on CBs unless an all-SEC caliber player is willing to sign with the Tigers.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 9:23 am
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:24 am to
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There are 13 CBs listed on a typical LSU depth chart for 2024...13!


How many of those 13 are SEC-quality starting CB's? not playing out of position, not walk-ons, not true freshmen that weigh 150 pounds and need a lot of development.
Posted by lsutiger2011
Georgia
Member since Jan 2009
1278 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:25 am to
If we are aiming for 8-9 wins you’re correct. If we are aiming for 10-12 wins you’re completely wrong. Need at least one starting corner and DT added if not 2 to sniff a championship run.

Also, as bad as Maason Smith was, there were rare moments he showed elite level play. We don’t have anyone at DT that can flash like that ever.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57622 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:25 am to
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I will admit the DT position needs 1 more good player.


You can't play with limited numbers at DT, especially for a full season. Those guys get injured and wear down
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
25943 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:28 am to
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NotaGoodFootballUnderstanderer
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
16625 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:30 am to
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How many of those 13 are SEC-quality starting CB's?


Enough to get by. Only 85 spots total on the team. You can't tie up 15 spots with a group that only has 3-4 on the field at a time.
Posted by SemiNoblePursuit
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:33 am to
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NotaStarGazer
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14403 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:34 am to
I think we'll be fine at CB, but you can't overestimate the need for DT help. Guillory is the only returning DT with significant experience and he was more of a rotational guy. Maybe Shand or even Saivion Jones move inside, but that's not ideal. We don't know if Shone is ready for SEC play and McKinley will take time.

We need a portal DT that can challenge to start and another that is a solid rotation guy.
Posted by GeauxHouston
Houston,TX
Member since Nov 2013
4371 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:34 am to
I think CB wise we may be done (besides maybe Amos).. just a lot of guys there that could improve with better coaching.
Defensive tackle wise is where we are screwed right now. Not even close to enough bodies.
Posted by Tzanghi
Member since Nov 2020
757 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:41 am to
100% here. CBS should be ok but the DLine is reeling right now. I hate to say it, but I think the solution is using more of a 4-3 style. Some of those lighter 3-4 DEs can get by at DT in 3-4 and we have plenty of edge rushers. I also think McKinley could play quickly in a 4-3 DT role. I don’t like that switch, but I cannot see riding Guillory every down all year long at NT. And if he gets injured your whole scheme is basically ruined.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 9:42 am
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
40108 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:49 am to
You could have 40 of them back there but if hardly any of them are the quality you need, what good is that?
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 10:05 am
Posted by mpwilging
Punta Gorda Isles, Florida
Member since Jan 2011
6940 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:52 am to
Why does no-one mention Reliford when discussing Dline?
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
6902 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:52 am to
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We don’t have anyone at DT that can flash like that ever


Maybe, maybe not...I don't think you can say that with fresh DTs coming in
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57622 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:53 am to
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Why does no-one mention Reliford when discussing Dline?


He weighs 260 pounds. He would get pushed around inside in the SEC.
Posted by nwallb2
Member since Jun 2018
746 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:56 am to
I think add 2 more DT and 1 CB and we should be okay. Some attrition will need to happen in the CB room after spring because some of those guys are not SEC caliber.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30102 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:57 am to
If we’ve taken this many cb and may take bussey or transfer in Amos, then you’ve got to think that they will find out who the top five cb are.

Then about 2 or three of the remaining 8 will move on.

But you’re off about dt.

Need three more for depth and to also find out which ones can actually play.

You don’t roll out another season where you had Jefferson and wingo playing 80% of snaps vs Uga due to no depth in SecCG.


D end is deep. Jack is too.


Dt/ng is not.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 10:02 am
Posted by mpwilging
Punta Gorda Isles, Florida
Member since Jan 2011
6940 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:59 am to
And yet Dom is only 280??
Posted by ROPO
Member since Jul 2016
3091 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:03 am to
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Some attrition will need to happen in the CB room after spring because MOST of those guys are not SEC caliber.


Fixed it
Posted by Geaux_Lang2793
Member since Oct 2018
323 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:12 am to
Sage was our most consistent nickel corner last season. You’re wrong leaving him out.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1756 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:32 am to
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I have confidence in Alexander, Stamps, Toriano, and hopefully one of the OSU guys...Johnson or Brown. ... not even counting any TR FR phenom that might appear...like a Woodland for example.



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Safeties IMO is a little bigger concern...I see Yaites (who can play CB BTW), Gilbert, and Allen as good ones



What in the world have you been watching? Precisely zero of the CBs you listed have proven that they are SEC starter quality CBs--even below average starter quality. You think PJ Woodland is going to step in as a true freshman and be a difference maker?? It's damn rare even for the best of the best recruits to do that in the SEC, let alone a 165lb 3*. We need at least 3 starting-caliber CBs and we have 0 who can be penciled in as being that. By contrast, at safety we have Jardin Gibert locked in, and only need one more guy to step up from the group of Burns/Ryan/Yaites/Toviano. As a group, our safeties have a MUCH higher floor than our CBs. It's really not even up for debate.

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I will admit the DT position needs 1 more good player ... Sign 1 or maybe a second DT and LSU is fine on defense



Okay now this is where you give yourself away as a troll - not even a particularly believable one. Assuming that McKinley signs as expected, we currently have a grand total of FOUR interior DL on our roster - as a team that plays an odd front - zero of whom have ever started, and one of whom has ever even gotten extended playing time at the division 1 level. If you think 4 guys is sufficient to fill 2-3 spots--at a position where you HAVE to rotate guys in and out--you are truly operating at the absolute peak of delusion. What if one guy gets hurt? Hell, what if two guys get hurt? You are staring, very quickly, at a scenario where you have 1-2 available bodies - again, at a position where you HAVE to rotate in and out. Nevermind the fact that none of those guys have shown themselves to be SEC starter quality players.


2 additional IDL is the absolute BARE arse minimum. If you bring in fewer than that, I promise you there is gonna be at least one game where you struggle to even field a full roster. And, of course, all this is totally ignoring the actual caliber of the players, which is not good. You went on about how you thought wingo and maason smith weren't good this year... well guess what, buddy? They still played damn near every snap because of how much better they were than Guillory and Lee.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 10:33 am
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