LifeAquatic

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People claim that Anderson looked so dominant and that’s why Jahkeem decided to just stay on the sidelines at Karr instead of play becuase he didn’t want Anderson making him look bad.

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1) literally nobody claims this


2) Stewart *couldn't* play and knew that was going to be the case when he transferred

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CEO is considered one the best DL coaches ever. That's not me. That's everyone else in the coaching business who says that.

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Lol what? This isn't true at all. He's a good recruiter (or was one, at least), no question. And his Louisiana ties made his recruiting prowess especially valuable to out-of-state programs (Miami, USC). But he's really never been viewed as anything much more than average as an actual coach and developer.


For one thing, his brand of go-go-go recruiting is much less valuable in the NIL era, where sheer stamina in relationship-building and -maintenance is no longer enough to get signatures. And for two, we're already operating at more-or-less max capacity with respect to our in-state recruiting: The kids we lose are pretty much always money-centric losses or kids who were looking to leave the state all along. O doesn't do much to help with either of those categories. And if he's not bringing a ton of recruiting value then he's not bringing much value in general - and certainly not enough to justify the circus that would unquestionably result.

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Underwood

Berry Moore

Curne

Stewart

Phillips

Pickett

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Even without Stewart we never had all these guys committed at once

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What a weird bump. Aaron Anderson, Barion Brown, and Chris Hilton are all likely to go pro after the 2025 season.

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You said this in response to my statements that 1) most guys won't be cool with waiting until year 4 to start (and that that it's not "short sighted" to go somewhere where you can play before year 4), and 2) Kyle Parker will be WR4 or 5 at absolute best in 2025. Not sure how anything in your comment changes or disputes my point. Yes: A.Anderson, Brown, Hilton, and maybe N.Anderson will probably go pro after the 2025 season. Even if we assume that their departure will make Kyle Parker one of our no-doubt starting WRs for 2026, that still means his first real opportunity will come in year 4.

Parker was a member of the 2023 class. The 2023 college season was his first year in college. 2024, last season, was his second year. 2025, the upcoming season, will be his third year. We both agree that he will not be a starter or (barring major injury problems in our WR room) even see significant rotational snaps.


That means that 2026 - his fourth year in college - will be his first real opportunity to get on the field.



My point stands: The large majority of guys--at least guys who have a chance to be real contributors at some point--are not going to be willing to wait around until year 4 to get their chance to play, and it's not "really short sighted" to go somewhere you'll get on the field before year 4. Which part of this do you disagree with? The first part (that most guys won't wait til year 4)? Or the second part (that it's not short-sighted to not want to wait til year 4)?


(Also, none of this even takes into consideration the fact that our QB room is a total question mark post-2025. So he'd be waiting around until year 4 to play with who knows who, with only ONE year of eligibility remaining if the QB situation is shaky or bad in 2026)

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Take a look at Texas, who has one of the best DL groups in CFB right now. Those are mostly 3-4 star guys Bo recruited and developed into studs

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Let me start by pointing out that "3-4 star guys" is a pretty massive bucket. That includes everyone from the #33 ranked guy down to the #1000+ ranked guy. Your point, though, seems to be that Texas built its elite DL more through scouting and development of lower-tier recruits than by bringing in blue-chip studs. Well unfortunately that's just not the case.


Texas's DL rotation basically consists of Alfred Collins and Vernon Broughton on the interior (with Bill Norton, and Jermayne Lole spelling them), and trey Moore, Colin Simmons, barryn simmons, and Ethan Burke at the DE/EDGE spots. Of that core group, Collins and Simmons were both 5*, Broughton was a high 4* (#122 overall), and trey moore was a highly rated transfer when texas landed him (4*, #3 edge in the portal, 93 rating (would be tied for the 2nd highest-rated guy in LSU's current transfer class)). Burke and Sorrell were both nice development jobs (both high 3*) (and their secondary rotational guys on the interior are mid-level transfers), but other than those 2, the main contributors have pretty elite pedigree (also worth noting that they rush the passer quite a bit with anthony hill (LB), who was also a 5*).

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Probably LSU's best pass rusher in awhile

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I mean, since Perkins in 2022 - or if you're not counting him then since Ojulari the same year.

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Whatever happened to the 5 star DT from Missouri? There was a lot of talk about him reconnecting with DC Baker and then nothing

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1) He's an EDGE, not a DT


2) There was never really any actual talk about him coming to LSU beyond people on this board pointing out that a potentially exciting player with a connection to our staff had entered the portal. There was zero reporting to suggest that we were ever involved.


3) Did you really need to make a post for this when a simple google would've sufficed? It's much easier to google "5* missouri transfer" and then just read the text that pops up immediately than to come to TD, click to start making a post, type out a whole post, post it, wait, then come back and sift through the replies first looking for the answer then looking for confirmation that the answer wasn't just someone fricking with you, until you've satisfied yourself that the info is correct.


4) He's going to Nebraska, as was the expectation virtually all along

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Kyle Parker was a redshirt freshman this year no? It would make since if we recruited over him after next season he would leave, would be really short sighted for him to leave now.

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you’re an idiot if you think most guys will be cool with waiting until year 4 to start. That’s how it would shake out for Parker. This was year 2, next year will be year 3 (and he’ll be WR4-5 at absolute best). It’s not “really short sighted” for a guy to want to play prior to year 4.

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You build the best roster possible and let the chips lie where they die. Roster development is now secondary to roster management.

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But this is exactly the point: Good roster management ISNT just taking any upgrade you can get, regardless of who you already have. If you've got a kid you really really like who's a rising sophomore at a premium position, you don't want to take a portal player who blocks him unless its a major major upgrade and you have a pretty complete roster - because a) it's not a one-for-one trade; you're pushing out a guy who'd give you multiple years of high-end play in exchange for a minor upgrade in the first of those years only and then a gaping hole the second year; and b) you're operating under the constraint of scarcity: Given limited resources, you don't want to spend major resources on a minor upgrade when you have other spots of greater need, where even spending a portion of that money might produce a bigger improvement to your overall team.


Hell, it's even more complicated than that: For instance, if you happen to have a stacked group of incoming freshmen at the position in question, you can more safely afford to push a potentially elite 2nd year guy out in favor of a one-year rental, because you can afford to count on that elite freshmen group to produce the necessary year-2 starter(s) you'll need once your rental is gone. On the flip side, if you're dealing with a position where your incoming class is weak, then you probably DONT feel good counting on those guys to be ready to contribute in year 2 - in which case it makes a lot less sense to prioritize the one-year rental over the rising sophomore who can hold down the fort for multiple years, even if the first of those years falls slightly short of the performance you'd have expected from the rental.




It all boils down to one guiding principle: The more desperate you are at a given position, the more likely you are to overpay for a transfer at that spot. This means that if you want to maximize your bang for your buck, you need to be deliberate in avoiding any major holes in your roster, which in turn means that sometimes you need to prioritize the long-term health of a position group over maximizing it for any one given year. You absolutely cannot afford to simply bring in all the best players who you can convince to come - you have to be strategic about it, and you have to plan for the long term. You'll have far more chances to max out your roster if you pick your spots and keep your roster balanced year-over-year than you will if you try each year to "build the best possible roster and let the chips lie where they lie". That's how you back yourself into corners.

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I thought kelly had said 8-10 from the portal before it opened

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I thought he’d said either 12 or 15 (tho I could be wrong)