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Variable speed AC worth the $?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:28 am
Need new central AC. Is variable speed AC worth the added cost? Anyone recently go from single stage to variable speed. If so what kind of energy savings did you see.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:29 am to Tiger Tim1
what size? 5 ton will be 20k
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:32 am to Tiger Tim1
No. It is not cash positive.
It will provide you better comfort by maintaining the temperature and humidity closer to your desired setting.
So, it that is important to you and/or you have only one home system, it is something to consider.
It will provide you better comfort by maintaining the temperature and humidity closer to your desired setting.
So, it that is important to you and/or you have only one home system, it is something to consider.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:35 am to Tiger Tim1
Needs to roar like a Tiger upon start-up
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:42 am to Tiger Tim1
It’s a more comfortable system and over time you will save enough to pay for the additional cost. The key phrase is over time. You have to stay where you are now to reach the break even point.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:44 am to doubleb
Meant to upvote. I glad for the upgrade with our humidity.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:44 am to Tiger Tim1
I've seen better AC units in the quad.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:59 am to Tiger Tim1
We replaced our 3rd floor unit back in 2020 (We have 2 different units). The additional cost of the variable speed unit just wasn't worth the savings in the electric bill for us because we dont plan to stay where we are for much longer. This was for a 2 ton unit I believe.
The payback period varies based on the additional cost but it can pay itself back over the lifespan of the unit. You just have to run the math to see if it works for you.
The payback period varies based on the additional cost but it can pay itself back over the lifespan of the unit. You just have to run the math to see if it works for you.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 11:02 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:00 am to Mahootney
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It will provide you better comfort by maintaining the temperature and humidity closer to your desired setting.
Noise is a big factor. Much better about that.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:34 am to Tiger Tim1
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Variable speed AC worth the $?
is an infiniti worth more $ than the nissan?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:38 am to Tiger Tim1
we have a unit that has 5 stages upstairs where we sleep.
IMO it is very worth it for a few reasons...
first of all, the on/off of a single phase unit puts a lot of load on the system when you might just need a little cool air.
second, it's honestly more comfortable. there are way fewer times when it's either too hot or too cold. variable speed does a better job keeping the house at the desired temparature.
it was a little more money but worth it imo. assuming we get a few more years out of our downstairs, we'll be upgrading that one to variable speed as well
IMO it is very worth it for a few reasons...
first of all, the on/off of a single phase unit puts a lot of load on the system when you might just need a little cool air.
second, it's honestly more comfortable. there are way fewer times when it's either too hot or too cold. variable speed does a better job keeping the house at the desired temparature.
it was a little more money but worth it imo. assuming we get a few more years out of our downstairs, we'll be upgrading that one to variable speed as well
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:47 am to Tiger Tim1
I dunno if it's worth it but it sure is awesome. Would be difficult for me to go back to a single speed. You never hear it running and the temp/humidity in the house is much more consistent.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:05 pm to LEASTBAY
I've had the Trane version for 7 years. Well worth it.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:53 pm to Tiger Tim1
I did not get the variable speed, but I will for the next one.
I should have spent the money on the front ent.
I should have spent the money on the front ent.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:05 pm to Tiger Tim1
worth the money as far as saving on your electric bill. most likely no.
worth it b/c you won't have a huge incoming amp rush and you can run your a/c unit with a 8000W generator instead of having to get a whole home generator. maybe so.
and i will say that the variable speed units are super quiet. You aren't going to here it turn on when you're inside. hell you aren't going to hear it come on when your outside unless you're right next to it.
and there's two types of variable speeds that they will talk about in the industry, i think. i'm not a hvac tech, just someone that bought a new unit about 2 years ago. one isn't a variable speed, but a two speed, as it will only run at two different RPM's, and that's it. The other would be a true variable speed, that ramps up and down on demand.
i've got a true variable speed Daikan, and i was able to run my 4 ton unit off my 5750W generator. Couldn't run it during the day in the heat of the summer, and while using other things, but at night when i'm just running the a/c and two refrigerators, it ran just fine. I didn't try running it on my 5 ton a/c unit, but i didn't think it would be able to handle it, but like i said, if you had a 8kW generator, you could run your a/c. although you could just go get a soft starter instead of buying a more expensive A/C.
I bought the Daikin b/c of the 10 year warranty..
worth it b/c you won't have a huge incoming amp rush and you can run your a/c unit with a 8000W generator instead of having to get a whole home generator. maybe so.
and i will say that the variable speed units are super quiet. You aren't going to here it turn on when you're inside. hell you aren't going to hear it come on when your outside unless you're right next to it.
and there's two types of variable speeds that they will talk about in the industry, i think. i'm not a hvac tech, just someone that bought a new unit about 2 years ago. one isn't a variable speed, but a two speed, as it will only run at two different RPM's, and that's it. The other would be a true variable speed, that ramps up and down on demand.
i've got a true variable speed Daikan, and i was able to run my 4 ton unit off my 5750W generator. Couldn't run it during the day in the heat of the summer, and while using other things, but at night when i'm just running the a/c and two refrigerators, it ran just fine. I didn't try running it on my 5 ton a/c unit, but i didn't think it would be able to handle it, but like i said, if you had a 8kW generator, you could run your a/c. although you could just go get a soft starter instead of buying a more expensive A/C.
I bought the Daikin b/c of the 10 year warranty..
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:21 pm to Tiger Tim1
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Need new central AC. Is variable speed AC worth the added cost? Anyone recently go from single stage to variable speed. If so what kind of energy savings did you see.
Variable speed (variable capacity is the proper team for AC or heat pumps) really only helps if you have some tiny zones compared to the whole house and if it is oversized.
I have a properly sized system for my house with a 2-stage compressor. Even that I have found was overkill. I have overridden the settings for my system to have the AC run in single stage mode. It still keeps my humidity between 40-43%, even in shoulder times, and no measurable difference in energy usage.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:44 pm to Tiger Tim1
It will be worth it if you stay in your home for a while (usually more than 7 years). Otherwise I’m a big Ultratech compressor (made by Copeland) supporter. It’s a two speed compressor that works on low speed (0.67 compressor staging) most of the day and only stages up to full speed during the heat of the day. It does a great job of controlling both temp and humidity.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:19 pm to UPGDude
I installed a 4 ton dual compressor A/C almost 20 yrs ago. It has a 1.5 ton and a 2.5 ton compressor. The 1.5 ton runs mostly for longer times which keeps the humidity lower than a single stage 4 ton compressor would. The 2.5 ton also comes on some times as needed.
The newer variable speed invertor units will run longer than single stage non inverter units, will keep the humidity lower, and provide more comfort. I will spend the extra bucks when mine needs replacing.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:29 pm to UPGDude
Currently have a 5 ton single stage. It's an old (100+ yr old) wood frame one story home. I'm not going anywhere. Variable is double the price. Seems consensus is more comfortable and more quiet but may take a lifetime to recoup added costs
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:30 pm to Tiger Tim1
You can use an on-line calculator such as HVACOPCOST to determine the time (years) that you would breakeven from energy savings with a variable capacity HVAC compared to a traditional single stage HVAC LINK. Everyone has made good points as to pros and cons of inverter driven variable capacity HVAC units.
Best I’ve come up with from extensive reading on the subject is to think of it more in terms of investing in better comfort over a number of years rather than saving money in the long run because by the time you beak even in energy savings, it might be time to replace the unit.
They are very quiet both inside and outside.
They are more complex and expensive to repair should something go wrong and you best be sure whatever company installs one has 1 or more highly experienced techs on staff that specializes in inverter units. Not not all techs are trained to repair these units. Even if parts are covered under 10 year warranty, if a $2-3k control/circuit board goes kaput, the tech won’t carry one on the truck and the supply house may not carry expensive parts in stock and have to order them from the manufacturer. Usually not the case with a simple single stage HVAC. If you get one, better install a whole house surge protector and even a secondary surge protector on the outside condensing unit to protect the complex electronic controls during power surges/outages.
Ducts better be properly sized and insulated, that is duct work better be near perfect, to get full benefit of from the variable capacity HVACs because much of the year when heat/cooling loads are low, they will operate at slow speed and low air flow, and I’ve read where some techs have stated if the air handler/furnace is not centrally located in the house that the furtherest rooms often do not get sufficient air flow to properly cool or heat the rooms to the homeowners satisfaction during low load periods, others have reported condensation/sweating issues at grills with variable capacity units when operating at low heat loads after replacing a single stage HVAC, but again that all goes back to the duct work issues that weren’t properly addressed with installation of the variable capacity HVAC.
Anyway, these are things to ask any HVAC company but at the end of day if everything is installed properly, variable capacity inverter HVACs provide exceptional comfort and the systems are so quiet often times the homeowner doesn’t even realize the unit is operating.
Best I’ve come up with from extensive reading on the subject is to think of it more in terms of investing in better comfort over a number of years rather than saving money in the long run because by the time you beak even in energy savings, it might be time to replace the unit.
They are very quiet both inside and outside.
They are more complex and expensive to repair should something go wrong and you best be sure whatever company installs one has 1 or more highly experienced techs on staff that specializes in inverter units. Not not all techs are trained to repair these units. Even if parts are covered under 10 year warranty, if a $2-3k control/circuit board goes kaput, the tech won’t carry one on the truck and the supply house may not carry expensive parts in stock and have to order them from the manufacturer. Usually not the case with a simple single stage HVAC. If you get one, better install a whole house surge protector and even a secondary surge protector on the outside condensing unit to protect the complex electronic controls during power surges/outages.
Ducts better be properly sized and insulated, that is duct work better be near perfect, to get full benefit of from the variable capacity HVACs because much of the year when heat/cooling loads are low, they will operate at slow speed and low air flow, and I’ve read where some techs have stated if the air handler/furnace is not centrally located in the house that the furtherest rooms often do not get sufficient air flow to properly cool or heat the rooms to the homeowners satisfaction during low load periods, others have reported condensation/sweating issues at grills with variable capacity units when operating at low heat loads after replacing a single stage HVAC, but again that all goes back to the duct work issues that weren’t properly addressed with installation of the variable capacity HVAC.
Anyway, these are things to ask any HVAC company but at the end of day if everything is installed properly, variable capacity inverter HVACs provide exceptional comfort and the systems are so quiet often times the homeowner doesn’t even realize the unit is operating.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 4:23 pm
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