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re: Sugar should be a controlled substance (dear diary post)
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:23 pm to KingBarkus
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:23 pm to KingBarkus
A friend of mine is at 9% body fat and he drinks diet sodas all the time.
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 8:13 pm to lsu777
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doesnt matter....made post advocating for more government....frick em.
This truly made me laugh. I know you're being serious, but something about the way the post reads is hilarious
Posted on 2/19/19 at 8:53 pm to Hulkklogan
I was kind of joking but this shite like this gets old......I can't do it my self, please Mr government prot CT me from myself....oh and because I can't handle it, it's not fair other getting have it either.
I will never understand how someone can think like that.
I will never understand how someone can think like that.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 9:12 pm to olemc999
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A friend of mine is at 9% body fat and he drinks diet sodas all the time.
Just because he’s 9% body fat doesn’t mean he’s healthy
Posted on 2/19/19 at 10:04 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Maybe, but Layne Norton just posted a new meta analysis that was done...well they are perfectly fine to have
Posted on 2/20/19 at 5:07 am to lsu777
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oh and because I can't handle it, it's not fair other getting have it either.
This is one of the things that piss me off the most about our society. Mental toughness is being lost.
What happened to "make up your damn mind and do it".
shite blows my mind and is just sad. And if you think "Must be nice to..." then screw that too. Nobody knows the scarafices and how hard they have to get what they got so making the "must be nice" comment discounts the effort that person made. If u want something, work your arse off for it.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 5:49 am to lsu777
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frick that, frick warning labels, frick making anything else a controlled substance dont need any more government intervention or telling people what to do. Need to get the government out of all of this bullshite. We wouldnt have to pay for the fat people if the gov didnt get involved in the first place.
The government is already intervening through agriculture subsidies. The problem is they are intervening in such a way that is a negative for the health of their own citizens. Now I don’t think they should regulate sugar content in food, just like I don’t think they should be subsidizing the sugary food industry. That said, it might save themselves a lot in future healthcare cost if they took the money from the agricultural subsidies and used that for a marketing campaign on health risk associated on consuming sugar foods.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 8:49 am to cssamerican
Not to turn this post into nothing but a political debate, but the government shouldn't be picking winners or losers in any form weatherby agricultural, big oil, stock market, or any other business at all.
And I understand your thoughts about a marketing campaign paying future dividends. But if they really want it to save money they would only allow certain foods be bought using any form of assistance. Also they would start educating at the elementary school level. If they're really serious they would bring back real physical education with standards and stop worrying so much about hurting somebody's feelings.
I'm not sure with the amount of freedom in this country and the amount of choices that we have with food that it is possible to turn around the obesity epidemic in adults. With our sedentary lifestyle this would be a tall order that would take multiple generations to complete. But we could make a huge impact in childhood obesity which simple daily True physical education. If you went to a military style physical education, similar to the La Sierra project, starting in pre-K and lasting through 12th grade and making it a mandatory daily course for all non athletes, you would make a huge dent in the childhood obesity epidemic.
The La Sierra project cost very little to implement and has barge rewards. For those schools that have a strict budget this would be ideal, for those who have a much larger budget we would be much better served as a country implementing Chinese in Russian style gymnastics and weightlifting programs at the elementary school level starting at age 9 for the weightlifting program and starting Pre-K for the gymnastic style program. Not only would this help with the childhood obesity epidemic but it would also help further sports, teamwork, and are Olympic programs. It also teaches young kids at a very early age that hard work equals success and build mental toughness. as alluded to above mental toughness is one of our biggest issues in this country right now and is the driving force behind the obesity epidemic. In general we blame a sedentary lifestyle but the true root cause is that adults in this country have become soft due to the lifestyle that we do live and the options that we do have as a country. It is great that the freedoms we have and the economic success we have had has built this but if push came to shove in a lot of ways this country is f***** if it came down to it all out brawl.
And I understand your thoughts about a marketing campaign paying future dividends. But if they really want it to save money they would only allow certain foods be bought using any form of assistance. Also they would start educating at the elementary school level. If they're really serious they would bring back real physical education with standards and stop worrying so much about hurting somebody's feelings.
I'm not sure with the amount of freedom in this country and the amount of choices that we have with food that it is possible to turn around the obesity epidemic in adults. With our sedentary lifestyle this would be a tall order that would take multiple generations to complete. But we could make a huge impact in childhood obesity which simple daily True physical education. If you went to a military style physical education, similar to the La Sierra project, starting in pre-K and lasting through 12th grade and making it a mandatory daily course for all non athletes, you would make a huge dent in the childhood obesity epidemic.
The La Sierra project cost very little to implement and has barge rewards. For those schools that have a strict budget this would be ideal, for those who have a much larger budget we would be much better served as a country implementing Chinese in Russian style gymnastics and weightlifting programs at the elementary school level starting at age 9 for the weightlifting program and starting Pre-K for the gymnastic style program. Not only would this help with the childhood obesity epidemic but it would also help further sports, teamwork, and are Olympic programs. It also teaches young kids at a very early age that hard work equals success and build mental toughness. as alluded to above mental toughness is one of our biggest issues in this country right now and is the driving force behind the obesity epidemic. In general we blame a sedentary lifestyle but the true root cause is that adults in this country have become soft due to the lifestyle that we do live and the options that we do have as a country. It is great that the freedoms we have and the economic success we have had has built this but if push came to shove in a lot of ways this country is f***** if it came down to it all out brawl.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 9:02 am to lsu777
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the government shouldn't be picking winners or losers in any form
That's the literal form of government throughout the entire history of the world. What do you think tax deductions, incentives, etc. are?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 9:06 am to lsu777
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If they're really serious they would bring back real physical education with standards and stop worrying so much about hurting somebody's feelings.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 9:08 am to DFWgolfer318
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That's the literal form of government throughout the entire history of the world. What do you think tax deductions, incentives, etc. are?
No it hasn't always been the form of government nor was our constitution set up that away.
As far as tax deductions, incentives, ect picking winning or losers, no s***. Doesn't make it right in any form nor does it make it constitutional in the way that the constitution was originally meant to be implemented.
This will be my last post in this thread as I do not want to clogged up the health and fitness board with political talk, we have a whole board for that kind of thing.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 9:35 am to lsu777
coke zero
0cals
0fat
0carbs
0sugar
40mg sodium
That isnt making ANYONE fat. If anything its a great thing to have to solve a sweet crave for some people.
0cals
0fat
0carbs
0sugar
40mg sodium
That isnt making ANYONE fat. If anything its a great thing to have to solve a sweet crave for some people.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 5:28 am to StringedInstruments
Govt control of non healthy foods is a slippery slope. Plus, who owns the science? 25 years ago they would have controlled butter and eggs.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 6:38 am to oleyeller
I started making my own pre-workout stacks.
I sweeten it up with some Green Apple Koolaid powder stuff. 10-17 g of sugar depending on how big I scoop.
Am I gonna die?
I sweeten it up with some Green Apple Koolaid powder stuff. 10-17 g of sugar depending on how big I scoop.
Am I gonna die?
Posted on 2/22/19 at 6:52 am to Fe_Mike
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Am I gonna die?
Eventually. Have a nice day.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 8:13 am to MrSpock
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Eventually. Have a nice day.
Bummer...
Posted on 2/22/19 at 8:33 am to lsu777
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well they are perfectly fine to have
That wasn't the conclusion of the meta analysis.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 10:32 am to TigerGrl73
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That wasn't the conclusion of the meta analysis.
LINK
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Objective To assess the association between intake of non-sugar sweeteners (NSS) and important health outcomes in generally healthy or overweight/obese adults and children. Design Systematic review following standard Cochrane review methodology. Data sources Medline (Ovid), Embase, Cochrane CENTRAL, WHO International Clinical Trials Registry Platform, Clinicaltrials.gov, and reference lists of relevant publications. Eligibility criteria for selecting studies Studies including generally healthy adults or children with or without overweight or obesity were eligible. Included study designs allowed for a direct comparison of no intake or lower intake of NSS with higher NSS intake. NSSs had to be clearly named, the dose had to be within the acceptable daily intake, and the intervention duration had to be at least seven days. Main outcome measures Body weight or body mass index, glycaemic control, oral health, eating behaviour, preference for sweet taste, cancer, cardiovascular disease, kidney disease, mood, behaviour, neurocognition, and adverse effects.
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CONCLUSIONS:
Most health outcomes did not seem to have differences between the NSS exposed and unexposed groups
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Results: The search resulted in 13 941 unique records. Of 56 individual studies that provided data for this review, 35 were observational studies. In adults, evidence of very low and low certainty from a limited number of small studies indicated a small beneficial effect of NSSs on body mass index (mean difference -0.6, 95% confidence interval -1.19 to -0.01; two studies, n=174) and fasting blood glucose (-0.16 mmol/L, -0.26 to -0.06; two, n=52). Lower doses of NSSs were associated with lower weight gain (-0.09 kg, -0.13 to -0.05; one, n=17 934) compared with higher doses of NSSs (very low certainty of evidence). For all other outcomes, no differences were detected between the use and non-use of NSSs, or between different doses of NSSs. No evidence of any effect of NSSs was seen on overweight or obese adults or children actively trying to lose weight (very low to moderate certainty). In children, a smaller increase in body mass index z score was observed with NSS intake compared with sugar intake (-0.15, -0.17 to -0.12; two, n=528, moderate certainty of evidence), but no significant differences were observed in body weight (-0.60 kg, -1.33 to 0.14; two, n=467, low certainty of evidence), or between different doses of NSSs (very low to moderate certainty). Conclusions Most health outcomes did not seem to have differences between the NSS exposed and unexposed groups.
oh really???
This post was edited on 2/22/19 at 10:34 am
Posted on 2/22/19 at 11:37 am to lsu777
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oh really???
Yes really. You stated they are perfectly fine. The meta analysis made no such conclusion.
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Conclusions Most health outcomes did not seem to have differences between the NSS exposed and unexposed groups. Of the few studies identified for each outcome, most had few participants, were of short duration, and their methodological and reporting quality was limited; therefore, confidence in the reported results is limited. Future studies should assess the effects of NSSs with an appropriate intervention duration. Detailed descriptions of interventions, comparators, and outcomes should be included in all reports.
Posted on 2/22/19 at 1:00 pm to TigerGrl73
I understand that it says future studies are needed to address the safety of longer duration of use, but as of now we have no study(at least that I or the science guys like Layne have seen) that shows all the supposed ill effects.
But we do have a meta analysis showing in the short term, all the myths are busted.
But we do have a meta analysis showing in the short term, all the myths are busted.
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