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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread
Posted on 3/29/21 at 4:21 pm to Tornado Alley
Posted on 3/29/21 at 4:21 pm to Tornado Alley
kballa's suggested week looks good based on what you have done to this point.
I know you didn't ask about this, but I couldn't help but notice that you are running a lot of your miles near goal race pace. In the future, I suggest running most of your mileage at least 1-2 minutes slower than your goal HM race pace. You are missing out on a lot of aerobic development by running everything fast, and you probably aren't getting enough recovery to fully benefit from all those workouts. Good luck on your race.
I know you didn't ask about this, but I couldn't help but notice that you are running a lot of your miles near goal race pace. In the future, I suggest running most of your mileage at least 1-2 minutes slower than your goal HM race pace. You are missing out on a lot of aerobic development by running everything fast, and you probably aren't getting enough recovery to fully benefit from all those workouts. Good luck on your race.
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 4:22 pm
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Posted on 3/29/21 at 4:31 pm to ks_nola
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ks_nola
Curious if you train or worry about HR at all when running in the heat/humidity? Or do you worry about HR at all? Always curious to see who runs by HR and who doesn't. I guess I'd put myself in the middle.
This post was edited on 3/29/21 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 3/29/21 at 4:34 pm to LSU Patrick
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I know you didn't ask about this, but I couldn't help but notice that you are running a lot of your miles near goal race pace. In the future, I suggest running most of your mileage at least 1-2 minutes slower than your goal HM race pace.
Are you talking about the 80/20 method?
Posted on 3/29/21 at 7:45 pm to Tornado Alley
Yes, or something close to that.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:04 pm to LSU Patrick
Thoughts on using Higdon's spring training as a reintroduction to running? I've been lifting and biking for a few months now, and I THINK that's helped remedy all my knee aches.
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My Spring Training Program features 10 weeks of training, but broken into five 2-week segments. Here’s the pattern. You train for one week, then move to a second slightly different week of training. Then back to another 2-week segment with a little bit harder training, but not much. Remember, with no race goal, we can live in the moment: training for fitness, rather than to achieve a PR or BQ or other goal.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:10 pm to Ingeniero
I’ve never used a Higdon plan, but they are tried and true. I looked at them in the past and liked them. I just never actually tried one out.
Good news on the knee issue. Heavy squats and deadlifts seem to help me prevent my past piriformis issues and related sciatica. Deep squats can create some knee issues if I do them too often. A couple of times a week for lower body lifts seems to be the magic number for me.
Good news on the knee issue. Heavy squats and deadlifts seem to help me prevent my past piriformis issues and related sciatica. Deep squats can create some knee issues if I do them too often. A couple of times a week for lower body lifts seems to be the magic number for me.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 8:36 pm to Aubie Spr96
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I have a goal of 1200 miles for the year.
Same here.
Do you have a plan or are you just winging it? I’m not sure how my 25 a week is gonna go in the summer. I wish I’d been tacking on some extra the last few months. I guess I can see how summer goes and then give it he’ll after the heat breaks.
Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:10 pm to LSU Patrick
The 70.3 training plan I’m going to use has some easier miles and swims. Maybe that will be enough.
I’m not sure I could go from a 70.3 half Ironman to a full marathon in 9 weeks, but that’s the gap I’m presented with, if I have interest.
I’m not sure I could go from a 70.3 half Ironman to a full marathon in 9 weeks, but that’s the gap I’m presented with, if I have interest.
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Posted on 3/29/21 at 9:23 pm to Tornado Alley
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70.3 training plan
Which plan are you using & which race are you doing?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:06 am to TigeRoots
T-Roots
Unfortunately I've never gotten into HR training or even monitoring. I guess most of my running is based on feel / effort level. this could be holding me back or maybe running me into the ground can't really say.
Seems there are many on here who "shut down" for the summer. to me this is terrible plan as I don't see any of us just being that good of runners to basically take off because its hot and then expect to just pick back up come fall when its "cooler". You just have to go into the summer knowing it ain't going to be fun and it ain't going to be fast but its going to build an engine that won't disappoint.
Unfortunately I've never gotten into HR training or even monitoring. I guess most of my running is based on feel / effort level. this could be holding me back or maybe running me into the ground can't really say.
Seems there are many on here who "shut down" for the summer. to me this is terrible plan as I don't see any of us just being that good of runners to basically take off because its hot and then expect to just pick back up come fall when its "cooler". You just have to go into the summer knowing it ain't going to be fun and it ain't going to be fast but its going to build an engine that won't disappoint.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:29 am to TigeRoots
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Curious if you train or worry about HR at all when running in the heat/humidity? Or do you worry about HR at all? Always curious to see who runs by HR and who doesn't. I guess I'd put myself in the middle.
I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'll chime in from my side. I have a chest strap HRM that I wear 99% of the time, but look at the screen maybe once per run. Focusing on HR helped me to some extent, but as my fitness improved, I started to ignore it and focus on perceived effort.
I learned a lot of things factor into your HR on a run. Some days feel a lot easier than others depending on the time of day, weather, what I ate, my emotional state, etc. Two runs are never the same and sometimes I feel great but need to remember that slower has a purpose and I need it. A tempo run at 5am will be a lot different than a tempo run at 11am.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:37 am to OysterPoBoy
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Do you have a plan or are you just winging it? I’m not sure how my 25 a week is gonna go in the summer. I wish I’d been tacking on some extra the last few months. I guess I can see how summer goes and then give it he’ll after the heat breaks.
Summer doesn't bother me that much. My pace just slows down.
No real plan to hit the 1200 miles. I run 3-4 times a week with a long run every Saturday. If I do that, I'll get there.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:36 am to ks_nola
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Seems there are many on here who "shut down" for the summer. to me this is terrible plan as I don't see any of us just being that good of runners to basically take off because its hot and then expect to just pick back up come fall when its "cooler". You just have to go into the summer knowing it ain't going to be fun and it ain't going to be fast but its going to build an engine that won't disappoint.
Essentially swap summer for winter and you just described my mentality. If I took December through March off I'd be leaving myself rusty for and rushed to prepare for any spring races. I know my winter runs aren't going to be fun or long or in my target heart rate zone but I do it to maintain some sort of endurance base.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:42 am to Walter White
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Which plan are you using & which race are you doing?
Plan: LINK (I may hire a coach or get a tailored plan from Training Peaks. Not sure yet but this is the current plan. I like its simplicity.)
Race: Deep South Triathlon, Brandon, MS, October
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:49 am to kballa6
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I have a chest strap HRM that I wear 99% of the time
Same here. I've found that my HR is directly proportional to my run time. My recovery run pace is 10:30-11:00 with a HR of 140. Average run pace is 9:00-9:30 with a HR of 160. This will vary some based of elevation and heat/humidity. My max HR has actually increased since I started using the monitor. It's gone from 181 to 186.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:21 am to Tornado Alley
I’ve actually been looking at using this same plan. I’d like to do a 70.3 this year but am hesitant to sign up for something since my wife is pregnant with our first child. I’m gonna keep an eye on things and may end up doing the Deep South with you in October
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:29 pm to kballa6
ks - Totally agree. I share the same sentiments as far as Summer/not shutting it down and embrace the suck for the Fall/Winter/Spring carrot dangling.
kb - Thanks for the input. I agree, so many factors in play it’s fruitless to try to strictly HR train IMO. I only use it as a guide of when I want to keep it really easy, as I find it hard to hold back if not. I need to get in the habit of looking at my watch much less. I look at it way too much. It’s a horrible habit.
kb - Thanks for the input. I agree, so many factors in play it’s fruitless to try to strictly HR train IMO. I only use it as a guide of when I want to keep it really easy, as I find it hard to hold back if not. I need to get in the habit of looking at my watch much less. I look at it way too much. It’s a horrible habit.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:03 pm to TigeRoots
When I hired my coach I committed to his plan 100%. I am coachable & strive on constructive criticism. My role was not to think, just open the app and run.
He is huge fan of HR running and a huge portion of my plan was based on it.
If I could turn back time I would have not done it. It failed me and cost me a training and racing cycle. It was a learning experience and I'm moving forward based on feel.... + I didn't think he was best for me and I parted ways.
I was dead on mile 21 @ White River when BRM saved me and I am 100% sure harder & faster training runs would have prepared me much better for that moment than strict HR runs.
He is huge fan of HR running and a huge portion of my plan was based on it.
If I could turn back time I would have not done it. It failed me and cost me a training and racing cycle. It was a learning experience and I'm moving forward based on feel.... + I didn't think he was best for me and I parted ways.
I was dead on mile 21 @ White River when BRM saved me and I am 100% sure harder & faster training runs would have prepared me much better for that moment than strict HR runs.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 3/30/21 at 3:09 pm to ks_nola
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"shut down" for the summer.
Summer is prime base building season. Should be thinking about volume instead of shutting it down.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 3/30/21 at 4:07 pm to BurtReynoldsMustache
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Summer is prime base building season. Should be thinking about volume instead of shutting it down.
This is my plan going into Chicago. We are focusing on power while building volume up until 8-10 weeks out (mid July). By then the plan is to have a base in the 45-50 mpw range. Then we will shift the speed/power workouts to more focused marathon prep/pacing on the last stretch.
Did a short double this afternoon and it was my first run of 2021 without a shirt. Just in time for a cold front tomorrow to bring us back to mornings in the mid 40's and afternoons in the 70's.
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