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Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:22 am to LSUbase13
Not in decline, but I think we're seeing a sort of market correction. It's harder now than it was 10 years ago to open one and establish a strong distribution footprint. So a lot of the newer ones are focusing on either limited local distribution, or brewery only sales where they market their taproom as the place to come hang out, watch some sports, play some board games, and grab lunch or dinner from a food truck in a relaxed environment.
I think the craft beer drinker has changed a little as well, and a lot of them have taken a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately mentality. They've gotten bored with a lot of the old stalwarts in the industry - Two Hearted, Sculpin, Sierra Nevada Pale, etc. - while standing in line for hours for the latest DDH Hazy IPA from their local shop. That's exaggerated a bit, but I regularly see Sculpins on the shelf locally that have canned dates 6 months ago. They're just not moving like they used to.
I think the craft beer drinker has changed a little as well, and a lot of them have taken a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately mentality. They've gotten bored with a lot of the old stalwarts in the industry - Two Hearted, Sculpin, Sierra Nevada Pale, etc. - while standing in line for hours for the latest DDH Hazy IPA from their local shop. That's exaggerated a bit, but I regularly see Sculpins on the shelf locally that have canned dates 6 months ago. They're just not moving like they used to.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:31 am to The Spleen
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They've gotten bored with a lot of the old stalwarts in the industry - Two Hearted, Sculpin, Sierra Nevada Pale, etc. - while standing in line for hours for the latest DDH Hazy IPA from their local shop
Disagree with you there. I typically always opt for a 6-pack of Two Hearted or Good People IPA over the local 4-pack $17.99 hazy ipa.
The Good People or Bell’s is typically fresh (surprisingly), it’s cheaper, and it just tastes better imo. Maybe I just love those two particular IPAs, but I prefer them to the cloudy, hazy beers - which all taste similar imo.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 8:32 am
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:37 am to GentleJackJones
I tend to mix it up, I enjoy the 4-packs of the hazy IPAs... the ones here tend to be $14-15 depending on where I am... but there's also nothing wrong with grabbing a case of fresh All Day IPA or some Two Hearted, or just some of the local flagship releases.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:37 am to GentleJackJones
To the OP, I also think the consumer has gotten a little bored with the product - at least I have.
First, it was the New England, cloudy, hazy IPA obsession. Then, sours were extremely popular, then it was the “dank” hemp style beers, and now Brut IPAs are a popular choice. I wonder when they’ll run out of ideas?
I also wonder/hope breweries will focus on putting out a great lineup of standard beers (Pilsner, lager, brown, porter - sans the coconut, chili, and pineapple please).
First, it was the New England, cloudy, hazy IPA obsession. Then, sours were extremely popular, then it was the “dank” hemp style beers, and now Brut IPAs are a popular choice. I wonder when they’ll run out of ideas?
I also wonder/hope breweries will focus on putting out a great lineup of standard beers (Pilsner, lager, brown, porter - sans the coconut, chili, and pineapple please).
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 8:38 am
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:42 am to GentleJackJones
You seem to be an outlying person with what you like. The breweries are making what people like
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:47 am to GentleJackJones
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Disagree with you there. I typically always opt for a 6-pack of Two Hearted or Good People IPA over the local 4-pack $17.99 hazy ipa.
The Good People or Bell’s is typically fresh (surprisingly), it’s cheaper, and it just tastes better imo. Maybe I just love those two particular IPAs, but I prefer them to the cloudy, hazy beers - which all taste similar imo.
I'm not saying people like you don't exist. I'm talking more of the hardcore craft beer drinker. The ones hanging out at the taprooms regularly. The breweries have started brewing to their demands, and we're seeing all kinds of hazy IPA's and sours being produced. And a lot of them are limited runs only available for a short time.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:56 am to The Spleen
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The breweries have started brewing to their demands, and we're seeing all kinds of hazy IPA's and sours being produced. And a lot of them are limited runs only available for a short time.
Most of them also brew some easy drinking flagships as well.
Like Canebrake.
I went to Bearded Iris and Southern Grist in Nashville a few weekends ago, and people were drinking no shortage of hazy hoppy stuff, but Bearded Iris was also selling plenty of Pep Talk Pilsner and Southern Grist has a standard brown ale and a honey lager on tap.
I'm sure some of those NE breweries are an exception. I have no idea if The Alchemist or Trillium do anything simple.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:58 am to LSUbase13
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Has the "craft beer/Brewery" industry declined?
Probably so since I stopped drinking beer
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:05 am to LSUbase13
The canary in the coal mine here is the secondary market. You will know that the industry has declined when people quit paying crazy prices for "rare" beer or whalez.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:10 am to LSUBoo
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Not in Baton Rouge. One thing breweries have been able to really tap into is the family friendly taproom environment. There are a lot of 20s-30s people out there with kids that would love a place to go hang out, meet some friends, have a few beers, maybe grab some food. Taprooms are filling that market quite well... sort of like the neighborhood bar, but bring your kids, or your dog, etc.
Exactly. This is what made the breweries so popular in Charleston and they were packed regularly. One of the things that is less common in BR/NOLA is the intermingling of bar and restaurant. Bros, couples, families all hanging out at the same place in harmony. Good beer, food, games, maybe a little space.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:13 am to LSUbase13
I think the industry is stabilizing. I'm not an expert, but from talking to people in the industry, I believe the days are gone are the days when anybody can set up shop and make money in the industry. I'm sure Parish is making money, but there are probably 5 breweries that are treading water for every brewery that is raking it in.
I see beer becoming more local/regional, too. Small brewpubs that don't distribute are more cutting edge than the big boys, IMO. People would rather drink a beer that is made in their home town rather than out of state. That means more small breweries.
I see beer becoming more local/regional, too. Small brewpubs that don't distribute are more cutting edge than the big boys, IMO. People would rather drink a beer that is made in their home town rather than out of state. That means more small breweries.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:50 am to metallica81788
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One of the things that is less common in BR/NOLA is the intermingling of bar and restaurant
That's because we have the ATC gestapo stepping in to make sure this doesn't happen.
Misunderstood. Thought you said breweries and restaurants. But I think bars that serve food still have to have no more than X% of their sales come from food.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:52 am to LSUbase13
As someone who sells more craft beer than domestic beer, yes it has.
Too much selection and customers are overwhelmed
Market is saturated with meh beer
Too much selection and customers are overwhelmed
Market is saturated with meh beer
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:14 am to LSUcdro
There will be a continual weeding out of smaller players as they realize they can't make a real living. Some will consolidate and the best will grow and thrive. The market will dictate.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:14 am to LSUcdro
Breweries are also doing more onsite specialty releases which people want. This leaving their regular lineup for distro
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:47 pm to notiger1997
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I still love my craft beers as much as ever, but the excitement of going to the breweries isn’t there all that much for me these days.
This a million times. There is enough good beer distributed that the extra crap is just that. Extra.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:00 pm to Demshoes
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I still love my craft beers as much as ever, but the excitement of going to the breweries isn’t there all that much for me these days.
This a million times. There is enough good beer distributed that the extra crap is just that. Extra.
I guess a lot of this has to do with regulatory problems, but in many states, breweries don't distribute all of their beers. If, as Boo said, breweries could self distribute, they could sell most of their beer in house and roll out kegs to whichever taprooms that will take them.
Louisiana seems a bit different in that a very high percentage of the good beer there is canned/bottled and distributed that way. I don't live in Oregon, anymore, but most of the beer there was not canned/bottled at all - only kegs are distributed. That keeps up the excitement - not only for the breweries, but for the taprooms and restaurants, as well.
I'm still trying to figure out Indiana.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:23 pm to LSUbase13
In Chicago, I am still seeing the huge lines for special releases and instant sellout of limited distro beers.
I do think that as a whole, the industry is trending more and more to the neighborhood "brewpub" formula and the casual craft beer drinker is spending much more time at these places whereas 10 years ago, only the hardcore type people were probably spending time there.
I do think that as a whole, the industry is trending more and more to the neighborhood "brewpub" formula and the casual craft beer drinker is spending much more time at these places whereas 10 years ago, only the hardcore type people were probably spending time there.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:27 pm to hiltacular
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I do think that as a whole, the industry is trending more and more to the neighborhood "brewpub" formula and the casual craft beer drinker is spending much more time at these places whereas 10 years ago, only the hardcore type people were probably spending time there.
Agreed. This is what I have been trying to say. In many places, the taprooms are family friendly with great food to attact more regulars. It's not just the beer nerds going to these places.
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