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re: Has the "craft beer/Brewery" industry declined?

Posted on 9/29/19 at 6:20 pm to
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 6:20 pm to


It was a mere example, that’s all.
This post was edited on 9/29/19 at 6:21 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 6:27 pm to
Southern Craft makes the worst craft beer across their lineup. There’s zero chance they survive if Gilla and La Chien are putting out good products. What I have had from La Chien was outstanding. I haven’t tried Rally Cap or Istrouma yet.
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 6:29 pm to
DD is a legendary hated donut on here and its not even close.
This post was edited on 9/29/19 at 6:30 pm
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 6:32 pm to
Well I was just talking about places that serve overpriced and glamorous donuts across the country. I saw a food truck the other day selling gourmet cupcakes for $6.50 a piece!
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 6:34 pm to
You should see Voodoo donuts in Portland, crazy stuff.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 6:38 pm to
I must say, though: Voodoo Donuts are the only ones I’ve ever had that can top hot fresh crispy kreme glazed donuts. Their prices are ridiculous, but the product is quality.
This post was edited on 9/29/19 at 6:54 pm
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 6:39 pm to
I went in there twice to check it out but could not bring myself to buy one. Nice hottip though on the glazed
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 6:40 pm to
I’m sure it’s crazy
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 7:54 pm to
I don't think it is near declining, rather I think the terms "deceleration" and "maturing" are more apt terms to describe the current craft beer market. Craft beer is no longer the underdog story it once was. It has moved from a kum-bay-ya industry to a more serious and cutthroat business environment where there is big money to be made and territory to gain and demographics to capitalize on.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 8:26 pm to
quote:

What's the beer industry like in your
city?


Kicking arse. No decline in sight.

I'm sure a few craft breweries will fail for one reason or another, but more are starting up.
Posted by Matisyeezy
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 8:31 pm to
I think it’s harder now than it used to be as the market is larger and more educated. I don’t know if you’ll see breweries emerge and grow exponentially through their first five years like what was possible for some of the big names in the market now. I just don’t think there’s space for it. Yes, I’m biased, but having worked at Trillium and seeing some of the numbers that place runs on (I’ve only seen the most superficial level), I just don’t think that model can happen now. I think that success comes in knowing your market intimately and, like bottomland says, manipulating the demographics to leverage calculated growth. Don’t try to overstep your bounds. And I expect that contraction will happen as a result if there being less room for trash beer. But that void will be filled by those who make good beer, or temporarily filled by some new trash brewery that eventually closes its doors.

Basically I’m saying that if you make good beer and you don’t overextend yourself you can make it in the market today.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 10:23 pm to
I think the only breweries who will do well at a distribution level either corner their market in a city or produce top level beer like a Parish or Trillium that is popular regionally. Other than that, mediocre breweries will eventually fail unless they’re a neighborhood spot. I feel like the Houston breweries are lucky because most have carved out a solid spot within their neighborhood.
Posted by metallica81788
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 10:31 pm to
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BR and Nola could each sustain 3-5 more


Definitely BR. I'm looking forward to more offerings.

When I moved to Charleston 4 years ago, the pickings were slim and now they have a great setup for a city that size with geographic and style variation within the metro.

BR has done nothing since I left college and the industry exploded. Tin Roof is fine but I want more options and variety. I'm not going all the way out to SC and word on here is that it's not even good. Hopefully these new ones in BR are decent.

NOLA has improved greatly from 7 years ago when all they had was NOLA without any food options. Could have used all the choices when I lived uptown...
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78326 posts
Posted on 9/29/19 at 10:41 pm to
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Charleston


I love Frothy Beard
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70455 posts
Posted on 9/29/19 at 10:53 pm to
2 more breweries will open in EBR this year plus one in Denham and one in Gonzales.

Tin Roof won’t really be the only game in town anymore soon.
This post was edited on 9/29/19 at 10:54 pm
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78326 posts
Posted on 9/29/19 at 11:12 pm to
But is it too late for these expansions? Seems like what the OP is alluding to it might be too little to late?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:37 am to
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I don't think it is near declining, rather I think the terms "deceleration" and "maturing" are more apt terms to describe the current craft beer market.


This

No industry can grow exponentially forever. Eventually they all reach their sustainability point and growth slows.

That isn't "declining", its reaching maturity.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70455 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:41 am to
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But is it too late for these expansions? Seems like what the OP is alluding to it might be too little to late?


I think the issue OP is referring to is the market approaching saturation in a lot of places. I think that because BR was so far behind on the trend and because the two breweries produce mediocre products, that the market hasn’t reached saturation. I think if these breweries produce good beer and provide a decent place to hang out, that there is plenty of room in the BR market for them.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104030 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:54 am to
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But is it too late for these expansions? Seems like what the OP is alluding to it might be too little to late?


Not in Baton Rouge.

One thing breweries have been able to really tap into is the family friendly taproom environment. There are a lot of 20s-30s people out there with kids that would love a place to go hang out, meet some friends, have a few beers, maybe grab some food. Taprooms are filling that market quite well... sort of like the neighborhood bar, but bring your kids, or your dog, etc.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:59 am to
also these breweries always have the option to fall back into being a brewpub if the distribution brewery isn't successful enough

Great Raft killed both Red River and Flying Heart, so both went to a brewpub and have had far more success

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