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Adding vegetables to roux

Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:14 pm
Posted by txtigersw
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:14 pm
I seem to recall reading somewhere on this board that the order of adding veg to roux makes a difference. Opinions?
Posted by tiger rag 93
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:19 pm to
I have my trinity already chopped an combined in a bowl. It gets dumped in all at once then is simmered for about 15 minutes.

Then add garlic, bay leaf, seasonings, sausage and let that simmer for just a bit before adding stock.
Posted by Trout Bandit
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:26 pm to
Depends on what you're cooking. For sauce piquant I add my onions and tomato paste first and brown them really well before adding my celery and peppers. For everything else, it all goes in at once.
Posted by txtigersw
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:26 pm to
Thanks what I've always done,too. But I seem to remember someone writing about adding onions and bell pepper separately .
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:32 pm to
I like to add the onions first & let them brown before adding the bell pepper & celery.
Posted by Politiceaux
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:37 pm to
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I like to add the onions first & let them brown before adding the bell pepper & celery.

Agreed. I tend to add bell pepper last. It gets a little bitter after too long, IMO.
Posted by Degas
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:39 pm to
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I seem to remember someone writing about adding onions and bell pepper separately
Probably Gris Gris. She doesn't like her different foods touching.
Posted by ruzil
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:40 pm to
If you want a really dark roux, add the onions first to temper the roux and to maximize the Maillard reaction that will further brown your roux.

The water content of the bell peppers and celery with inhibit the Maillard reaction if added at the same time as the onions.
This post was edited on 11/5/16 at 12:42 pm
Posted by Degas
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:45 pm to
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If you want a really dark roux, add the onions first
For a really dark roux, my onions don't hit the roux for a good half hour or more. I've never introduced the onions before the rest, or until my roux is the color I want it to be. I'll try this next time.
Posted by Stadium Rat
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:45 pm to
I remember a thread about jambalaya (no roux) where someone said they didn't use bell pepper because it would burn before the onions. But that was a technique where you cook the onions down for a long time to develop dark color. The solution to that would be to add the bell pepper later.

If you're doing a stew-like gumbo or sauce piquant, I don't think the staging would be needed.
Posted by Twenty 49
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:45 pm to
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I like to add the onions first & let them brown before adding the bell pepper & celery.


I saw John Besh recommend this approach. "I add my onions by themselves to the roux in an effort to brown them in the roux which will add a sweetness to the gumbo as well as enhance the deep dark color because of the onion’ high sugar content." LINK He adds in his book that the water from the other veg will prevent the sugars in the onions from caramelizing as well.

One of the best smells in the world is diced onions cooking in hot roux in a cast iron pot.
Posted by LSU Tiger Bob
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 12:46 pm to
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I like to add the onions first & let them brown before adding the bell pepper & celery.



Me too!
Posted by sloopy
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 1:22 pm to
I add the onions and cook for a while as it darkens the roux. Once I get the color I want I add the other veggies. It's a john besh technique that someone told me about.
This post was edited on 11/5/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 1:30 pm to
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Probably Gris Gris. She doesn't like her different foods touching.




I love that you pay attention to my posts!

Nah, they can touch in gumbo. Sometimes, I add onions ahead of time and sometimes, I add all the veggies together, but the browned onions do add another depth of flavor. No right or wrong answer here.
Posted by OldHickory
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 1:35 pm to
I'm a fan of doing my gumbo roux in the oven and once it gets to the darkness I want, I add half my onions and put back in the oven to caramelize, stirring frequently. Once they're pretty much dissolved, I add the other half of the onions, celery, bell pepper and transfer to stove top.
Posted by ruzil
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

If you want a really dark roux, add the onions first
For a really dark roux, my onions don't hit the roux for a good half hour or more. I've never introduced the onions before the rest, or until my roux is the color I want it to be. I'll try this next time.




You'll be glad you did.
Posted by txtigersw
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 12:46 pm to
Did the onions first, then added other veg. Feel like the browned onion flavor improved the gumbo
Posted by gmrkr5
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 12:50 pm to
adding the onions first allows the sugars to caramelize. when you add them with bell peppers and celery the water in them prevents that
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:41 am to
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I'm a fan of doing my gumbo roux in the oven and once it gets to the darkness I want, I add half my onions and put back in the oven to caramelize, stirring frequently. Once they're pretty much dissolved, I add the other half of the onions, celery, bell pepper and transfer to stove top.


I've been trying an oven roux once or twice a year, but this past weekend I crossed the tipping point using this suggested technique. I did not pick up on much difference on game day. But my Monday night re-heat of leftover seafood gumbo was without a doubt the best gumbo I have ever had in my entire life.

I will never go back to the stovetop method again. Besh led me to adding onions first for the reasons described above, but I could never let myself let the onions cook in the roux very long due to fear of burning. Combining the Besh technique with oven roux unlocked everything I've been looking for in a gumbo.

Thanks for posting.

Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 11/15/16 at 7:49 am to
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If you want a really dark roux, add the onions first to temper the roux and to maximize the Maillard reaction that will further brown your roux.

The water content of the bell peppers and celery with inhibit the Maillard reaction if added at the same time as the onions.


The onions do the same thing. Dark brown roux depends on how long you cook it before adding any vegetables. Granted you can get a dark roux after adding vegetables, but you are cooking a lot longer. The "secret" is patience. Cook your roux to your desired color, once you get there then add your vegetables. I add them all at once as i find the celery/bellpepper take longer to soften up. However, i find the "bitterness" as mentioned above to be interesting and may think about adding them later next gumbo. Now, if you are saying that adding onions first then the green veggie's due to quantity of veggies and water content, then you have a point. But i believe onions have a similar water content as celery/bellpeppers (if not more).

I cooked a gumbo saturday and made the darkest roux i've made. All of the color came pre-trinity.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 7:51 am
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