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re: So where is the OSHA mandate?
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:13 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:13 pm to Indefatigable
quote:If you get the non Comirnaty label, the one with the EUA, you have no recourse should something go wrong. If you get the Comirnaty label, you do have avenues for recourse.
Let's hear what significance you think that has.
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Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:13 pm to Indefatigable
Sorry im an idiot and dont read too good
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:15 pm to TigerTatorTots
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If you get the non Comirnaty label, the one with the EUA, you have no recourse should something go wrong
Wrong. Pfizer has immunity under the PREP Act for vaccines under EUA as long as the emergency persist, and you have recourse through the CICP.
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If you get the Comirnaty label, you do have avenues for recourse.
Correct, through the NVICP
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:18 pm to Indefatigable
Perhaps you are too literal so using absolutes confused you...
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EUA-approved COVID vaccines have an extraordinary liability shield under the 2005 Public Readiness and Preparedness Act. Vaccine manufacturers, distributors, providers and government planners are immune from liability. The only way an injured party can sue is if he or she can prove willful misconduct, and if the U.S. government has also brought an enforcement action against the party for willful misconduct. No such lawsuit has ever succeeded.
The government has created an extremely stingy compensation program, the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program, to redress injuries from all EUA products. The program’s parsimonious administrators have compensated under 4% of petitioners to date — and not a single COVID vaccine injury — despite the fact that physicians, families and injured vaccine recipients have reported more than 600,000 COVID vaccine injuries.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:20 pm to TigerTatorTots
But remember its a choice to take it, never mind youll be unemoloyed and your children will be homeless in the street
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:22 pm to TigerTatorTots
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Perhaps you are too literal so using absolutes confused you...
I have no idea what that means in this context.
However, contrary to every statement you have made in this thread, Pfizer has liability protection for both the Pfizer-BioNtech branded vaccine and the Comirnaty-branded vaccine, and people in the United States have recourse through government structured compensation programs for both vaccines. (the CICP and the NVICP, respectively).
The labeling of the vaccination has no bearing on liability for Pfizer whatsoever.
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:22 pm to Strannix
It was obvious by about day 4 that they realize they were gonna get their arse kicked on the OSHA thing and they just went dead silent on it.
And, of course, the media happily let them go silent on it.
And, of course, the media happily let them go silent on it.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:25 pm to TigerTatorTots
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This is to skirt legal issues with liability.
I wouldn't say this. I'd say BioNTech-Pfizer and Comirnaty are "legally distinct". That what the FDA says. Whatever that means.
But I do agree with you Comirnaty has full FDA approval and is not available and BioNTech-Pfizer remains under EUA and is available.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:27 pm to ScottFowler
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gaslight corporations
This....my company from the beginning didn't want to say anything about vaccines either for them or against them. They wanted it to be a personal decision as it should be.
Once the mandate came out their edict to the people that needed to act was let's get ready but we are going to wait until OSHA says something official before we actually do anything. If they do we are 100% ready to go....BUT there are those in the company that believe as I do and many here do that they won't do anything. Hell they can barely handle the mandates they have now much less an added mandate that would apply to every private company not matter what industry.
I'd like to have seen more companies do it this way....alas it didn't happen. The company I work for is a fortune 500 company HQ'd in Texas....I'd be happy to retire for these folks if I'm so lucky.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:28 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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Of course if you look at the supporters of ELECTION THEFT here on this forum, you can already tell what kind of lying trash these people are...
They also support abortion, CRT, LGBTQP+, teaching children to have homosex, lockdowns, mandates, open borders, china first, forced vaccination, elimination of the 2nd, Antifa and BLM, unconstitutional punishment of patriots.......
They are horrible people, maybe also Chinese social media warriors, but horrible people.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:29 pm to GumboPot
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But I do agree with you Comirnaty has full FDA approval and is not available and BioNTech-Pfizer remains under EUA and is available
That would be because that is a fact. The Comirnaty label is not widely available yet. Comirnaty is simply the name brand of the Pfizer-BioNtech vaccine. The generically branded version is completely available.
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:30 pm to Strannix
Total headfake.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:33 pm to Indefatigable
You seem pretty knowledgeable on this subject. Help me understand - since the two are the same ingredients/same vax, why is one FDA approved but not available, and the other on EUA is the only available?
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:33 pm to obdobd918
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I doubt OSHA has the legal authority
Which used to matter when we lived in the USA. But now that we live in the US of China laws don't matter.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:35 pm to Strannix
You already have to answer questions about the covid vaccine when applying for jobs. It doesn't matter if the mandate comes down or not. It worked.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:37 pm to Indefatigable
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I have no idea what that means in this context.
However, contrary to every statement you have made in this thread, Pfizer has liability protection for both the Pfizer-BioNtech branded vaccine and the Comirnaty-branded vaccine, and people in the United States have recourse through government structured compensation programs for both vaccines. (the CICP and the NVICP, respectively).
The labeling of the vaccination has no bearing on liability for Pfizer whatsoever.
Everyone is speculating what the legal differences are between BionNTech-Pfizer and Comirnaty. We know there is a legal distinction between the two because they tell us so in footnote one of their FDA FAQ document on the vaccine EUA and approval:
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Just know that BioNTech-Pfizer currently remains under EUA. This vaccine is available and companies that are implementing mandates are implementing them under the assumption that the available vaccine has full FDA approval. The available vaccine does not have full FDA approval.
However Comirnaty does have full FDA approval, but it's not available.
This conflict is very easy for companies to resolve and implement their mandates for Joe Biden under the auspices of full FDA approval; just provide Comirnaty.
Easy peasy.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:37 pm to Strannix
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would take 5 minutes to issue, i just wonder why they havent issued it yet....
Because it would be illegal and the blowback would be Biblical.
Easier to just stand pat and let cowardly corporations buckle from the fear of it happening.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:40 pm to TigerAxeOK
Which is why crazy Nancy has snuck it into the infrastructure deal with much harsher penalties. I would hope even if passed it would be ruled unconstitutional via the 10th amendment or something.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:40 pm to BlueChips
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Help me understand - since the two are the same ingredients/same vax, why is one FDA approved but not available, and the other on EUA is the only available?
Comirnaty is what Pfizer and BioNTech branded their vaccine as when applying for full authorization. Since that authorization back in late August, there is still not enough of the Comirnaty-branded vials for mass distribution in this country.
Because of that, the FDA renewed the EUA for Pfizer's generically labeled vaccine to facilitate continuted distribution in the meantime.
That is oversimplifying a bit, but one Pfizer vaccine having full approval (Comirnaty) is not mutually exclusive with the same vaccine under a different label having an EUA (generic version).
In short, there is nothing there. Pfizer just hasn't pumped out enough Comirnaty-labeled vaccines yet since it received the full approval. The FDA has acknowledged that, and there is no effective difference between the two labels vis-a-vis liability for Pfizer or injury recourse.
Posted on 10/5/21 at 3:43 pm to GumboPot
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We know there is a legal distinction between the two because they tell us so in footnote one of their FDA FAQ document on the vaccine EUA and approval:
Correct. One is the marketing name for the other that was used in seeking full approval. That is your legal distinction. Just as Tylenol and walgreens-labeled acetominaphen are "legally distinct" despite being made on the same assembly line and being otherwise totally identical.
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This conflict is very easy for companies to resolve and implement their mandates for Joe Biden under the auspices of full FDA approval; just provide Comirnaty.
They don't have to. The FDA has already stated that the two vaccines are identical in formulation and effect, and that they are interchangeable. Hence the renewed EUA for the generic vaccine after the name brand version was approved. Its a manufacturing hurdle, and nothing more.
This naming situation that you guys are focused on is NOT why the vaccine mandate from OSHA is not being issued, or why it would be struck down with quickness
This post was edited on 10/5/21 at 3:47 pm
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