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re: Orgeron’s business, TAF added as Title IX lawsuit defendants
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:26 pm to mmcgrath
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:26 pm to mmcgrath
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"By subsidizing the salaries of LSU employees, including the Orgeron defendants, TAF exerts control over LSU athletics and protects the male student-athletes who generate large sums of money for TAF and LSU," the complaint says. "The nature of the enterprise's goal is exemplified in the terms of Orgeron's contract, which funnels millions of dollars through the private company of 'O Rosy Finch Boyz.'" Orgeron is in the second year of a six-year contract that pays him $7 million a year, excluding incentives reached with on-field accomplishments, after winning the national championship in the 2019-20 season. Multiple members of that team played despite recent sexual allegations against them. "That contract provides for incentive-based compensation wherein the Orgeron defendants would receive greater compensation for more victories, for more post-season games, and for any awards that Orgeron received as coach," the amendment says. "To maximize this incentive-based compensation, it was imperative to protect the male athletes that helped achieve these victories, post-season games, and ultimate coaching recognition, and to downplay any reports of sexual misconduct with might jeopardize the athlete's ability to play for LSU." The complaint says Orgeron and others at LSU "conspired to stymie LSU's entire Title IX policy" in order to protect "certain athletes from viable Title IX claims."
Really? This makes me lean closer to the throwing shite at the wall comment.
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Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:31 pm to SammyTiger
I realize exactly what they are making accusations of and I agree that this is about money but I also believe that these accusations are FAR to specific for them not to have what they truly believe is some form of credible evidence in hand.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:32 pm to gumbeauxgold
Fire him right now.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:35 pm to OGJangalang
What’s specific about the allegations?
TAF paying the coaches isn’t a conspiracy.
O getting paid through an LLC isn’t an conspiracy.
O getting an incentives based contract isn’t a conspiracy.
That’s all legal and open. They just described how our athletics department works and that said “they’re all interested in LSU winning”
I think The girl dating Davis has a legit claim against LSU. They did nothing to protect her.
I think the 2 Guice rape victims have so so claims. 1 it’s pretty unclear if it was rape. The other declined to press charges or go through an interview. So I’m wondering what she’s claiming needed to be done.
TAF paying the coaches isn’t a conspiracy.
O getting paid through an LLC isn’t an conspiracy.
O getting an incentives based contract isn’t a conspiracy.
That’s all legal and open. They just described how our athletics department works and that said “they’re all interested in LSU winning”
I think The girl dating Davis has a legit claim against LSU. They did nothing to protect her.
I think the 2 Guice rape victims have so so claims. 1 it’s pretty unclear if it was rape. The other declined to press charges or go through an interview. So I’m wondering what she’s claiming needed to be done.
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:35 pm to PP7 for heisman
So, I can understand why Orgeron might have both motive and opportunity to shunt harrassment complaints away from the Title IX office.
What motive would the LSU employees have personally to take those risks?
And what would a parallel harrassment "reporting" system do? How could it possibly succeed? By paying off all alleged victims?
Orgeron makes enough money and has other rewards to take these kinds of risks. Don't think LSU employees do and they don't share in rewards for this type of unlawful conduct that a coach would...
What motive would the LSU employees have personally to take those risks?
And what would a parallel harrassment "reporting" system do? How could it possibly succeed? By paying off all alleged victims?
Orgeron makes enough money and has other rewards to take these kinds of risks. Don't think LSU employees do and they don't share in rewards for this type of unlawful conduct that a coach would...
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:41 pm to Sweep Da Leg
It all had to be proved, it's why we hire really good lawyers, if they prove this "shite on a wall" then things will happen, people will lose jobs, its whatever, but like I said, it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt!! which is where the money will continue to flow in, let's just play football, and let this BS play out on it's own!! at end of the day, money will be made all over the place and things won't happen except football!! 
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:41 pm to nitwit
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What motive would the LSU employees have personally to take those risks?
The plaintiffs' argument is that their salary essentially was paid, by TAF, in exchange for them suppressing complaints.
That's how i read it at least.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:42 pm to PP7 for heisman
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The plaintiffs' argument is that their salary essentially was paid, by TAF, in exchange for them suppressing complaints.
It read like all they did was suppress these rape charges and like hang out the rest of the day.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:43 pm to SammyTiger
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It read like all they did was suppress these rape charges and like hang out the rest of the day.
That's how a complaint in a civil suit works
ETA: there are certainly valid complaints made in this suit. Not saying that. LSU has some questions they have to answer.
However, it remains to be seen to what extent the higher ups (Orgeron) had actual knowledge of these claims.
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:02 pm to PP7 for heisman
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However, it remains to be seen to what extent the hire ups (Orgeron) had actual knowledge of these claims.
I read Through the internal report and i don’t think it pulled many punches. I think It’s going to be hard to prove some grand conspiracy .
We definitely dragged our feet at times but I don’t Think we outright declines to investigate any really credible claims.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:07 pm to gumbeauxgold
It’s never RICO.
So it’s probably good that they have resorted to this tactic. Good chance it means they have nothing else:
It’s Never RICO
So it’s probably good that they have resorted to this tactic. Good chance it means they have nothing else:
It’s Never RICO
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:18 pm to gumbeauxgold
When does the coaching changes board open?
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:22 pm to SammyTiger
Sammy, you seem to have a notion that proof of a conspiracy is difficult, complex and requires all kinds of evil motives.
All that is required to prove a civil conspiracy in a case like this is that two or more people agreed to act together to achieve a result. That's it. Not all the people in a conspiracy need even know one another.
All that is required to prove a civil conspiracy in a case like this is that two or more people agreed to act together to achieve a result. That's it. Not all the people in a conspiracy need even know one another.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:29 pm to Keaux10
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it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt!!
I believe you are mistaken. Civil court cases are decided based on the preponderance of evidence.
If it is more likely than not that it happened (50% plus a feather), the plaintiffs will be found in violation.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:29 pm to gumbeauxgold
Someone cut someone a check, so this can end
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:31 pm to nitwit
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All that is required to prove a civil conspiracy in a case like this is that two or more people agreed to act together to achieve a result. That's it. Not all the people in a conspiracy need even know one another.
They also have to prove that they agreed to work together towards something unlawfulZ
Otherwise you described the LSU football team. 2 or more people agreeing to act together to achieve a result.
Proving the entire LSU department and TAF acted together is East. That’s literally what they do.
Proving they all acted together to cover up rapes is a lot harder
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:33 pm to ell_13
quote:Yup
Throwing shite at a wall at this point
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:33 pm to nitwit
quote:
All that is required to prove a civil conspiracy in a case like this is that two or more people agreed to act together to achieve a result. That's it.
Not exactly.
quote:
To recover under a conspiracy theory of solidary liability, "a plaintiff must prove that an agreement existed to commit an illegal or tortious act; the act was actually committed and resulted in plaintiff's injury; and there was an agreement as to the intended outcome or result." Id. (citing Butz v. Lynch, 710 So.2d 1171 (La. Ct. App. 1998)).
So they'd have to prove that there was an agreement to silent these students, the silencing took place, and there was an agreement that the players would play in spite of their alleged wrongdoing.
The only claim that meets the third element is Guice, and I think that's why you saw the story change. Davis never played again, Parish never played again. That's why (unless they have proof of actual knowledge from Orgeron) I think it was dumb to bring their case forward in this manner.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:33 pm to gumbeauxgold
I’d guess the next step in this progression is to go after individual TAF donors.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 2:35 pm to PP7 for heisman
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The only claim that meets the third element is Guice, and I think that's why you saw the story change.
Didn’t the girl with the BF on the team decline to pursue a claim through the Title IX office?
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