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re: New Orleans Pelicans are willing to part ways with Brandon Ingram in hopes of getting Dame
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:23 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:23 pm to Townedrunkard
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Exactly, so AD going into his best years is now worth less than Dame going into his twilight years?
AD is a Robin, he needs a Batman to be successful. He may be the best #2 in the game, but he’s still a #2. Lillard is a #1, he just needs complimentary players around him. A Lillard Zion combo would be absolutely absurd.
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:25 pm to Epic Cajun
Eh.. we're fricked
Lillard is never coming here.. even if you managed to trade for him he would just pout
+ added bonus of telling ingram he's totally expendable..
Lillard is never coming here.. even if you managed to trade for him he would just pout
+ added bonus of telling ingram he's totally expendable..
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:26 pm to Epic Cajun
Preach brother
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:26 pm to purplepylon
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Ask yourself as a Pels fan how many first rd picks you'd ask for if we were trading BI by himself
We got two unprotected for Jrue with swaps. I’d say the third first was for taking on Bledsoe that we ended up blowing on Adams. And Mil was desperate to resign the freak. We are not desperate.
I’d want at least 3 for BI. He’s young, going into his prime and under contract for years. So that would be 7 or 8 frp’s for Lillard? For an over 30 guard? When our core and best player are under 21? Griff makes that trade he should be fired on the spot.
I’m all for getting Lillard if we can get him for a Hardenesque package. Which was just str8 trash…..
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:28 pm to brmark70816
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That is just not true. Portland was the 6th seed and would still make the playoffs if you swap Ingram/Lillard. Ingram wouldn't even be their highest paid player. They still have McCollum, who is a borderline all star, when healthy. Pair them together, with Covington, Powell and Nurkic. That is a solid team. It is a great fit for Ingram, who makes over 10M less than Lillard. They would be competitive and balanced. I don't even know if we become better than them..
Agree to disagree. That team without Lillard plus Ingram is dog shite.
Now they have no leader and no closer and two no defense playing scorers.
Any team with Brandon Ingram as the best player will not be a playoff team.
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:28 pm to Townedrunkard
I think the organization just needs to be careful not to overreact. They have a really strong core.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:30 pm to brmark70816
We have a war chest of assets. Damian Lillard may be available to pair with Zion. Yet, some on here are saying that he isn't a player to unload the war chest for? Now, we have people saying that BI will be a better player than Dame in 2 years? So we should just stay the course and we will be title contenders in 2 years?
I would also prefer to keep BI and send as many picks as it would take. But if it takes BI, and we keep NAW and Hayes, I do that deal every single time.
I would also prefer to keep BI and send as many picks as it would take. But if it takes BI, and we keep NAW and Hayes, I do that deal every single time.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:32 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Knicks - No one to center their package around
Miami - No one to center the trade around. They aren’t sending Bam and that doesn’t make sense for Portland.
Boston - Could center a package around Brown or Tatum
Chicago - No one to center the trade around. They are not going to send Lavigne for Dame.
Golden State - No one to center the trade around. They are not going to send Curry or Thompson (questionable health).
Mil - I guess they could send Middleton, but they have nothing else.
Pho - They aren’t going to send Booker and Aston doesn’t fit.
Phil - I guess they could send Simmons. Not really sure how that works.
Cle - No one to center a package around.
Toronto - They could center it around Siakem; however, their other talent are already guards. OG would be a super nice piece, but I am unsure if that fits a potential Dame trade as he is not good enough to be a centerpiece.
Min - Townes is the only player that would make sense as a centerpiece. I doubt it.
NOLA - Can center the trade around BI and other assets.
So the list of competition for a trade I think is Phil, Boston, Toronto, and NOLA.
Again, try to keep up here, price is created by demand, those are all teams with the ability to drive up the price of Lillard, not necessarily end up with him.
Some of those though are just wrong and not being thought through. Just a few I’ll touch on:
Min could package Edwards, DRuss, and multiple firsts and swaps to offer Portland
CLE could package Sexton and the third pick and be very enticing.
GS: Almost certainly will be sending out the 7th pick and Wiseman to bring someone in for another run and putting two unstoppable guards isn’t something I would put past GS trying given they already showed a willingness with DRuss.
Toronto: are you forgetting they hold the third pick? A package around multiple future firsts and swaps to go with this years 3rd pick is a good way to jumpstart the rebuild…and drive Lillards price up
Pels can beat all of these if they want, but the idea that we are going to get Lillard on the cheap is insane. You might be able to hold onto BI but it will cost most or all of our young guys and 4-5 firsts and swaps minimum.
This is not Kawhi or AD, this would be a superstar that can’t actually dictate landing spots and it will mean anyone that wants to bid can
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:32 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I think the organization just needs to be careful not to overreact. They have a really strong core.
This. I just don’t see Griffin as the type of guy to give up a ton. Unless Damian Lillard comes out and says he wants to be a Pelican or Zion agreed to trade Ingram+ for Lillard. Most likely he wants to go to Washington or Golden state. Beal is his best friend and he’s from Oakland.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:33 pm to Townedrunkard
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I’d want at least 3 for BI. He’s young, going into his prime and under contract for years. So that would be 7 frp’s? For an over 30 guard? When our core and best player are under 21? Griff makes that trade he should be fired.
exactly
this board is very emotional when it comes to AD or Ingram
yeah AD had a bad year this year. AD has had a better PER compared to Lillard for like 7+ years prior to that. and he's 3 years younger
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:35 pm to Toula
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firmly believe our best path to success is adding to BI and Zion.
Yup
But let’s see if this 3rd rate organization panics
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:35 pm to duyp
Lillard has no leverage to dictate his landing spot, that is why people need to prepare for how crazy Portland putting him on the market could get.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:35 pm to ghost2most
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Any team with Brandon Ingram as the best player will not be a playoff team.
I just watched Julius Randle go to the biggest market and carry a horrible team to the playoffs. He was in the MVP talks. Fit and culture matter. You build a balanced team and give them no chance or pressure. It is the ideal situation. They can just have fun.
Us on the other hand, would have monumental pressure and we would still be missing so much. Lillard wants a ring. Who is the 3rd option? Ball? I don't see how we are that much better and we were way out of the playoffs. Who is playing SF? Hart? We would have the worst wings in the league and you think we are making a run?
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:35 pm to ThePistol
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Now, we have people saying that BI will be a better player than Dame in 2 years?
if not 2 he will certainly be in 4
Dame will be 35 in 4 years. exactly how good do you think he will be at 35?
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:36 pm to Bronc
Cleveland makes zero sense. They would still be terrible with Lillard.
GS can’t afford him. They are already so far over the cap and he plays the same position as Steph.
Nobody wants Russel and they’re not trading their no. 1 pick so I don’t see Minnesota either.
Toronto doesn’t really make a ton of sense either but I guess is the most likely of those teams you mentioned.
GS can’t afford him. They are already so far over the cap and he plays the same position as Steph.
Nobody wants Russel and they’re not trading their no. 1 pick so I don’t see Minnesota either.
Toronto doesn’t really make a ton of sense either but I guess is the most likely of those teams you mentioned.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:39 pm to Bronc
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Min could package Edwards, DRuss, and multiple firsts and swaps to offer Portland
CLE could package Sexton and the third pick and be very enticing.
the problem is they would sell their souls to be a mid-level playoff team. what is the point, exactly?
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GS: Almost certainly will be sending out the 7th pick and Wiseman to bring someone in for another run and putting two unstoppable guards isn’t something I would put past GS trying given they already showed a willingness with DRuss.
i don't think they can get Lillard without giving up almost exactly the same salary out. so that means portland may have to absorb klay...and GS has to deal klay. their issue is dancing around with salaries in the repeat tax payer level. i think they're actually at the absolute spending cap, too. lillard's contract is just probably too big to absorb
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:39 pm to ghost2most
If this is about the coach, it may be much ado about nothing.
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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn 33s
Clippers assistant Chauncey Billups has reached agreement on a five-year deal to become the new coach of the Portland Trail Blazers, sources tell ESPN.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:39 pm to Macintosh504
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LOL
AD suppressed his market by saying he was playing for only one team.
Think Lillard could have pulled Tatum, Brown, and firsts?? If Kyrie stays and AD agrees to go to Boston, it’s probably what we get.
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:41 pm to ghost2most
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Cleveland makes zero sense. They would still be terrible with Lillard.
GS can’t afford him. They are already so far over the cap and he plays the same position as Steph.
Nobody wants Russel and they’re not trading their no. 1 pick so I don’t see Minnesota either.
Toronto doesn’t really make a ton of sense either but I guess is the most likely of those teams you mentioned.
GS doesn’t give a frick about the tax, have you seen their season ticket prices?
Again, go read up on Rosas, he is 100% from the Morey tree, he would absolutely dangle Edwards and multiple firsts to make an offer.
Toronto makes some of the most sense there is. You replace Lowry and immediately are a contender again.
And again, this is a list of who could potentially make offers that drive up the price, not who will hold the winning bid. Unlike AD or Kawhi, this isn’t a negotiation between limited teams, this would be an all out bidding war unlike we have seen because Lillard has no real leverage.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 9:42 pm to Bronc
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Start with what happens to prices when supply is very limited and demand is extremely high and those demanding have large asset reserves?
You are acting like the biggest factor in driving his price is the demand, when that is not all that important at all. In the end there will be 2-3 teams ready to accelerate that can even put together a fair offer for him that will fit into what Portland wants.
Same way it became narrowed down for the Pels when they traded AD. You fundamentally do not understand how trades are executed in the nba
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