re: The Hill you'll die on: Movie/tv edition

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That’s complete and utter bullshite and you know it. Hell even the director himself said that used just as much cgi as any other blockbuster and you nutsacks still cling to this “muh practical effects” stupidity.

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Who are you calling a nutsack, frickstick? Watch the Bluray extras, the CGI is a few backdrops and the big storm.

I'll respond, mainly because it's always fun to argue about Die Hard.

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So that brings us to die hard.

-It's set at Christmas! - Yeah, it's set around christmas. That doesn't mean eveyr movie in late November is a thanksgiving movie. Or every movie in late october is a halloween movie. It just happens to be set at that time of the year, doens't mean it's a "christmas movie"
-They're at a christmas party! -Is the reason for the party relevant, or is the important part that they're at a big tall office building party? Clearly the latter. It could be a new years even party and the plot of the movie is the exact same.
-He writes ho ho ho on that bad guy! -Merely a brief second of comedy to give the viewer a grin. Splice out that 5 seocnds of the film and the movie doesn't lose anything.

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But my earlier point was that you can do that with almost any movie exactly the same way:

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Christmas Story- Christmas is in the title. The lead character won't stop talking about what he wants for christmas, it's one of the biggest runnign points of the film. I'ts obviously set at christmas time. We see a typical christmas morning gathering with a family opening presents, leading up to the big climax of the lead getting his present and shooting his eye out. MAIN QUESTION- If this movie had every refernece to christmas removed and took place in July instead, would it exist? Answer- NO. It would cease to exist.

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Instead of Christmas, make it his birthday and you can keep most of the movie intact. If his birthday is early in the year, even the snow scenes are good to go.

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It's a wonderful life. Based on a Christmas Carol. Again set around christmas time. Somewhat of a spiritual aspect involved with the guaradian angel. Lead comes to realize the importance of love, family, and friends. A bell on the christmas tree leads to one of the film's more memorable quotes. The tone of hte show is about appreciation and love which go hand in hand with christmas spirit. If this movie had every reference removed and took place in July, would it still exist? Yeah, it'd exist, but would have a completely different tone and would no longer be a christmas movie. It'd just be a normal ol' movie almost like bruce almighty

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You even admit that it would still be the same just "feel" different because of the tone. And you can't use the bell on the Christmas tree as important in this film, but remove Christmas references in Die Hard just because. It could've just as easily been a bell on literally anything other than a Christmas tree (like the entry door).

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Christmas vacation- Christmas in title agian. Opens with searching for chritmas tree. Lots of hijinks involved with decorating the house. One of the high points at the end of the film is a profanity laced tired that the lead character was pissed at his boss for not getting his expected christmas bonus. House is full of lots of family there for christmas time. Remove referneces ot christmas and place in July- does movie exist? No, does not exist. Christmas is too integral to the plot of the movie.

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It could be set around Fourth of July and still had most of the same elements. Instead of a "Christmas bonus" it could be an end of the fiscal year (June 30) bonus. And it would also make more sense with the swimming pool being that it would be set in summer. You'd lose the snow scenes, but could replace that with whatever you want (lake scenes, for example). The main thing you'd lose is the toboggan scene.

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So that brings us to die hard.

-It's set at Christmas! - Yeah, it's set around christmas. That doesn't mean eveyr movie in late November is a thanksgiving movie. Or every movie in late october is a halloween movie. It just happens to be set at that time of the year, doens't mean it's a "christmas movie"
-They're at a christmas party! -Is the reason for the party relevant, or is the important part that they're at a big tall office building party? Clearly the latter. It could be a new years even party and the plot of the movie is the exact same.
-He writes ho ho ho on that bad guy! -Merely a brief second of comedy to give the viewer a grin. Splice out that 5 seocnds of the film and the movie doesn't lose anything.

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I've argued this before, but can't find the thread on Google. But removing Christmas references and themes from Die Hard but keeping them in things you view as "Christmas movies" isn't fair. Is Christmas central to the plot? I think it's arguable that it is, at least in the same terms that most Christmas movies are. It's the literal reason that McClane is there. It's also the reason the building is empty. It's also the reason the terrorists chose when to strike. It's also littered with Christmas references throughout (trees, decorations, the Santa hat, "Ho, Ho, Ho," etc. There is Christmas music throughout as well. It starts with Jingle Bell Rock I believe. It also made Christmas in Hollis even more popular and helped it become a Christmas staple (per Wiki).

Are there other times you could sub in for Christmas and the movie would still make sense? Of course, just like almost any other Christmas movie, as stated above with Christmas Story, Wonderful Life, and Christmas Vacation. Those movies could all very easily be set in different times and still accomplish the same things. Nobody is arguing that Die hard is MORE of a Christmas movie than those, just that it is also one itself.

Oh, and the screenwriter says that it is a Christmas movie. So there's that too.

I couldn’t agree more on Fury Road being hot garbage. A buddy raved about it and strongly recommended it to me. I watched and wondered what the hell was so good about it. It’s a bad film.

To me, Fury Road is a good chase movie. Nothing more, but it doesn't suck. It's has a high re-watch-ability level for me. It's so fast paced, I find myself picking up more from it when I rewatch it.

I don't care how they made it. It entertained me. I didn't see it in a theater. I really wish I had. If I had, I might be arguing with you as hard as the other nutsacks.

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LaLadyinTx

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Geez.

First of all, your posts are horrendous and you look like a dumbass.

Second, the dude you originally blew up at has almost 700 posts after being registered less than a month and is obviously an alter. Just ignore him.

On the subject of Disney's "Frozen," there's a scene in the film that makes no sense that I'd like to discuss, assuming some of you have children and have watched the movie hundreds of times, like me.

We know Prince Hans turns-out to be a no-good, conniving bad guy who only lured Anna into a relationship in hopes of gaining control of the kingdom.

Why, after his first encounter with Anna, do we see him express a look of aw-shucks, genuine love as she walks away? I'm talking about the scene when he's knocked into the water. No one, not Anna or anyone else but the audience, can see him. Why would he have that wholesome look on his face if there was no one around to fool? It's never made sense to me...

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Why, after his first encounter with Anna, do we see him express a look of aw-shucks, genuine love as she walks away? I'm talking about the scene when he's knocked into the water. No one, not Anna or anyone else but the audience, can see him. Why would he have that wholesome look on his face if there was no one around to fool? It's never made sense to me...

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Because it's a shite movie. Frozen is objectively terrible. The main theme of it is that when stuff gets hard and you ruin things, you should run away because accountability isn't for pretty girls.

I've watched "Frozen" so many times, I've convinced myself it's good. The same phenomenon has occurred with the music of Taylor Swift. Parenthood.

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Die Hard is OBVIOUSLY not a christmas movie, anyone saying otherwise is just looking for edge or acceptance.

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This is true.

We might be getting to a point where Die Hard has carved out a place in a person’s social life or family traditions and has become a permanent staple in their roster of “Christmas” movies. Insisting Die Hard is a “Christmas” movie may not be so much edginess as it is expressing loyalty to a personal or family tradition. Maybe.

As an example, Clan Misanthrope celebrated Independence Day with Jaws and The Great Escape. One, in my opinion, is unquestionably a Fourth of July film and the other perhaps not as clearly so. Maybe neither are. Yet both are firmly fixed in Clan lore and tradition as Independence Day films. Maybe not a hill we’d die on, but close.