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I no longer believe in the concept of Patriotism.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 2/15/21 at 3:49 pm
I have come to believe that patriotism is a form of bias and emotionalism that can be too easily used to manipulate the people and obscure truth.
Do you see how quickly self professing patriots have been redefined as domestic terrorists and bigots?
The problem with patriotism as commonly practiced is that it is all too often a profession of loyalty to and admiration for institutions and flags and historic personalities, and too rarely focused on ideals.
I don't think America is at all what the founders wanted it to be.
So why be patriotic?
I don't think out military any longer concerns itself with fighting for freedom or democracy for it's citizens or others around the world.
So why be patriotic?
And I don't think the flag actually means the same thing to most people
So why be patriotic?
I just don't see it any more
In the beginning, the founders had similar world views, and while there were disagreements, each side understood the other and thus, they were capable of constructing compromise. Their arguments were more philosophically based.
Today, I don't even understand most people. And I certainly don't feel united to them.
I am no more united to the average American than I am to the Average European or Russian.
So I guess it's best we not stand together for anthems or flags. Because we don't know why we stand. Or we have different reasons for standing.
Or, we would rather not stand at all.
Do you see how quickly self professing patriots have been redefined as domestic terrorists and bigots?
The problem with patriotism as commonly practiced is that it is all too often a profession of loyalty to and admiration for institutions and flags and historic personalities, and too rarely focused on ideals.
I don't think America is at all what the founders wanted it to be.
So why be patriotic?
I don't think out military any longer concerns itself with fighting for freedom or democracy for it's citizens or others around the world.
So why be patriotic?
And I don't think the flag actually means the same thing to most people
So why be patriotic?
I just don't see it any more
In the beginning, the founders had similar world views, and while there were disagreements, each side understood the other and thus, they were capable of constructing compromise. Their arguments were more philosophically based.
Today, I don't even understand most people. And I certainly don't feel united to them.
I am no more united to the average American than I am to the Average European or Russian.
So I guess it's best we not stand together for anthems or flags. Because we don't know why we stand. Or we have different reasons for standing.
Or, we would rather not stand at all.
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Posted on 2/15/21 at 3:50 pm to RiverCityTider
They broke you
Posted on 2/15/21 at 3:52 pm to RiverCityTider
You’re doing what the Dims do si well....redefining words. The Dims have taken the English language and butchered it to promote their destructive ideology.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 3:53 pm to RiverCityTider
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So why be patriotic
Patriotism is not about just blindly loving the American government and the country in its current form. Your Patriotism should be towards the Constitution and for the concept of America, including rememberance of the fallen who fought for the Constitution.
Our country is currently occupied by a hostile regime. Reverence to America does not mean reverence to the hostile regime.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 3:53 pm to RiverCityTider
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Do you see how quickly self professing patriots have been redefined as domestic terrorists and bigots?
How long before we have the New England Football Team.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 3:54 pm to RiverCityTider
Because some of us arent as easily broken. We (patriots) still believe that we live in the greatest country on Earth, and likely the last beacon of hope for the rest of the world, despite our many flaws.
We are all fortunate to be Americans, whether you believe so or not. And patriots most of all are proud to be American.
We are all fortunate to be Americans, whether you believe so or not. And patriots most of all are proud to be American.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 3:58 pm to RiverCityTider
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Do you see how quickly self professing patriots have been redefined as domestic terrorists and bigots?
I have noticed this, yes.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 3:58 pm to RiverCityTider
Dude
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:01 pm to RiverCityTider
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So I guess it's best we not stand together for anthems or flags
I understand where you're coming from.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:03 pm to RiverCityTider
The Roman Empire was one of the greatest and most influential civilizations in world history. It began in the city of Rome in 753 BC and lasted for well over 1000 years. During that time Rome grew to rule much of Europe, Western Asia, and Northern Africa.
At its height it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power. By 1913 the British Empire held sway over 412 million people, 23% of the world population at the time, and by 1925 it covered 35,000,000 km2 (13,500,000 sq mi), 24% of the Earth's total land area. As a result, its constitutional, legal, linguistic, and cultural legacy is widespread. At the peak of its power, it was described as "the empire on which the sun never sets" as the Sun was always shining on at least one of its territories.
We, the United States of America, for the past 100 years have held the largest GDP in the history of the world. The US has accomplished in it short history more than the rest of the world combined did for centuries.
"God has been very good to us. That we won the revolution was extraordinary. The Battle of Midway was extraordinary. I think one of the reasons God has been good to us is that we have done him honor. Unlike the other countries of the world that do not even invoke his name we do him honor" - former associate Supreme Court Justic Antonin Scalia
One month before he was Pelican Briefed
At its height it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power. By 1913 the British Empire held sway over 412 million people, 23% of the world population at the time, and by 1925 it covered 35,000,000 km2 (13,500,000 sq mi), 24% of the Earth's total land area. As a result, its constitutional, legal, linguistic, and cultural legacy is widespread. At the peak of its power, it was described as "the empire on which the sun never sets" as the Sun was always shining on at least one of its territories.
We, the United States of America, for the past 100 years have held the largest GDP in the history of the world. The US has accomplished in it short history more than the rest of the world combined did for centuries.
"God has been very good to us. That we won the revolution was extraordinary. The Battle of Midway was extraordinary. I think one of the reasons God has been good to us is that we have done him honor. Unlike the other countries of the world that do not even invoke his name we do him honor" - former associate Supreme Court Justic Antonin Scalia
One month before he was Pelican Briefed
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:19 pm to RiverCityTider
You understand that Patriotism is the only way to get back to the values that this country was founded on.
The left is dismissing patriotism and equating it with everything bad that has ever happened in the Unites States, while ignoring the good.
The bad things that happened in this country are because of bad people, not because or Constitution is wrong or because our Founding Fathers were misguided.
We need to get back to a point where the rule of law, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, due process, and equal access to the law all mean something. Then our country will be okay and the pendulum will swing back.
For you to say that you give up on patriotism is for you to give up on the United States that our Founding Fathers wanted. You are handing the country over to the communists and telling us that you don't care, anymore.
The left is dismissing patriotism and equating it with everything bad that has ever happened in the Unites States, while ignoring the good.
The bad things that happened in this country are because of bad people, not because or Constitution is wrong or because our Founding Fathers were misguided.
We need to get back to a point where the rule of law, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, due process, and equal access to the law all mean something. Then our country will be okay and the pendulum will swing back.
For you to say that you give up on patriotism is for you to give up on the United States that our Founding Fathers wanted. You are handing the country over to the communists and telling us that you don't care, anymore.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:28 pm to RiverCityTider
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I have come to believe that patriotism is a form of bias and emotionalism that can be too easily used to manipulate the people and obscure truth.
Incorrect...advocacy for the superior form of governance is logical. I've been to 33 countries and most foreign populations regard us as the bastion against tyranny. Others don't know why the populace do not yield to the expertise of the governmental controllers. No guns, quiet citizenry, etc.
This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:31 pm to RiverCityTider
I’m patriotic to the ideals this country was founded upon, and an enemy to that which opposes those ideals.
IOW, the flag is not which stirs me. It’s just cloth, and USA is just an acronym. The ideals we were founded upon is what stirs me. The minute those ideals are superseded by a flag on a flag pole that doesn’t embody those ideals anymore is the minute I quit getting stirred by that flag because it no longer embodies American ideals, but rather servitude and a perversion of what my country was supposed to be.
IOW, the flag is not which stirs me. It’s just cloth, and USA is just an acronym. The ideals we were founded upon is what stirs me. The minute those ideals are superseded by a flag on a flag pole that doesn’t embody those ideals anymore is the minute I quit getting stirred by that flag because it no longer embodies American ideals, but rather servitude and a perversion of what my country was supposed to be.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:35 pm to RiverCityTider
I don’t know about you but I honestly don’t have time to give a frick about patriotism
I have enough shite going on in my life to worry about it
If someone doesn’t like the flag then oh well
I have enough shite going on in my life to worry about it
If someone doesn’t like the flag then oh well
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:39 pm to RiverCityTider
Don’t confuse indoctrination and propaganda with changing ideals.
The media is lying every day to try to break people.
The media is lying every day to try to break people.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:44 pm to RiverCityTider
This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:44 pm to RiverCityTider
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Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
Mark Twain is credited with saying this. It made an impression the first time I heard it. I believe it’s appropriate to this time and place.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:49 pm to RiverCityTider
You are fricked up. I know what I am doing! 
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:55 pm to RiverCityTider
I'm pro American, but not patriotic. There is a difference. I want my country to succeed, but I'm not blind to her many faults.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 5:25 pm to RiverCityTider
I bet your grandfathers (if still alive) are real proud of you
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