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re: RPO rate by QB
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:16 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:16 pm to SammyTiger
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I thjnk We felt we could keep that train going with Brennan but really wanted to take some of the decision making off of Finley’s shoulders and just let him read and react.
This is what some ranters can't seem to grasp. The RPO is an easy read for the QB. You're literally watching one defensive player to see if they bite on the run. If they do, you pull it and throw to the area they vacated. If they don't, you let the RB have it and live for the next play.
This is the reason some of you need to pump the brakes with thinking TJ should be the starter. They aren't asking MB to run RPOs that much because they're looking the push the ball down field. MB has a full progression to go through on the plays that are called. That takes more time and a better understanding of defenses as a whole. YES, TJ is going to be a great QB ONE DAY. But good defenses have answers for RPOs and short reads. That's why Myles is, and should be, the starter going forward.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 2:27 pm
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Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:19 pm to CottonWasKing
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Please explain how an RPO makes it more likely for a qb to get hurt?
RPO with him also having the option to pull the ball from the RB and run it himself.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:20 pm to SammyTiger
Finley ran triple option in HS, so he more comfortable in that setting. Good on E for adjusting and customizing the game plan for Finley
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:22 pm to LSUAlum2001
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RPO with him also having the option to pull the ball from the RB and run it himself.
That's not an RPO. That is a Read Option. Two completely different things. Please do your homework
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:24 pm to LSUAlum2001
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RPO with him also having the option to pull the ball from the RB and run it himself.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:24 pm to LSUAlum2001
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RPO with him also having the option to pull the ball from the RB and run it himself.
THIS IS NOT A RPO!!!!
It's a called a read option and the read for the QB is completely different than it is for a RPO.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:35 pm to ibleedprplngld
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THIS IS NOT A RPO!!!!
It's a called a read option and the read for the QB is completely different than it is for a RPO.
Wrong! An RPO, there are 3 options. A quick pass, a handoff to the rb or a qb running it himself.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:44 pm to sabes que
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People confuse it with the read option, which we haven’t really done much with Brennan or if so his “read” is to hand it off every time. Just for educational purposes a read option is where the QB can hand it off or keep himself.
This baffles me that people have such strong opinions about this but don't actually know what it is.
Run-Pass Option
Read Option
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:45 pm to TexasTiger88
It has more to do with blocking, but there’s a lot of nuance.
The read-option is 100% run blocking
The RPO allows OL to run block on a pass play; which confuses the defensive keys
The read-option is 100% run blocking
The RPO allows OL to run block on a pass play; which confuses the defensive keys
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:45 pm to ibleedprplngld
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It's a called a zone read and the read for the QB is completely different than it is for a RPO.
FIFY
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:45 pm to LSUAlum2001
The plays where finley ran the ball were designed runs. I imagine they put those into the game plan before they named a starter. So that max would have some running plays if he won the job. They don’t run designed runs with Brennan Bc they can do more things with him than the other guys and they probably didn’t wanna risk getting him hurt w 2 true freshman behind him. tbt I don’t think finley is a better runner than Brennan.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 2:56 pm to sabes que
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People confuse it with the read option, which we haven’t really done much with Brennan or if so his “read” is to hand it off every time. Just for educational purposes a read option is where the QB can hand it off or keep himself.
Right, but you're showing the same look to the defense with an RPO and a read option. When they know Brennan isn't going to take off and run, it's one less thing the defense has to worry about. And when they don't have to worry about him running, that provides fewer lanes for our running backs because the ends aren't having to make that read with the QB like they would for someone like Burrow, who even not running a lot, defenses know he had the ability to make big plays with his feet.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:38 pm to lsufball19
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but you're showing the same look to the defense with an RPO and a read option.
Not entirely true.
You release the backside DE on a Read Option to get better blocking numbers. Generally you don’t leave that guy unblocked in an RPO.
You can world a read option into an RPO or the QB can always choose to tuck and run (like any pass play).
But you don’t have to work that into an RPOz which is why it’s crazy when people say “he’s too slow to run an RPO”
Or “he can run so that opens up RPOs”
No it opens up QB runs. Which is great. If everything is the same always take the guy who can also run.
Edit: I said you can work anRead Option into an RPO but IDK if that would works your QB would have to read 2 different players at the same time. You can always just give your QB the option to take off an run, but idk how successful you would be releasing that DE and asking a QB to read him while asking your QB to read a coverage defender.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:48 pm to TexasTiger88
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Wrong! An RPO, there are 3 options. A quick pass, a handoff to the rb or a qb running it himself.
Yet another ranter who doesn't understand the RPO vs reas option offense. A Read option has 3 potential outcomes based on reading (usually) the backside DE or Linebacker. If he crashes, the QB pulls the ball and rolls out with the option to throw if a receiver is open, or tuck it and run. The line run blocks.
In a RPO, the QB is looking for a specific formation, DL, lineback, SOMETHING and makes a decision whether to give to the RB or pull it and make a quick throw. The line is zone blocking for the play. RPO is the easiest formation for young QBs to run because the reads are very simple and take a lot of the post snap thinking out of it.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:50 pm to SammyTiger
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Not entirely true.
You release the backside DE on a Read Option to get better blocking numbers. Generally you don’t leave that guy unblocked in an RPO.
This. No one is left unblocked on a read option. You’re putting the stress on an entirely different position group with an RPO usually either a linebacker or safety.
And yes a Qb CAN scramble out of the RPO but that’s usually only done on a botched play because the pass is the first and only read. If it isn’t there the QB lets the running back take the ball.
A QBs ability to run the ball has absolutely nothing to do with how successfully he can run an RPO offense. The RPO was created with non-athletic qbs in mind just like the veer was created with small offensive linemen in mind.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:55 pm to ibleedprplngld
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In a RPO, the QB is looking for a specific formation, DL, lineback, SOMETHING and makes a decision whether to give to the RB or pull it and make a quick throw.
Not really true here or at least not the whole truth. The Qb has a read key in the RPO just like a read option. It’s just a different position group. He’s looking for the player responsible for covering the passing lane he wants to go to. That’s usually a linebacker covering a slant. If that linebacker commits to the run the QB hits the slant. If he sits back the QB gives the ball. The linemen are zone run blocking the whole time which is why the decision has to be made pretty much instantly.
That’s why you can’t really run a lot of deep routes out of the RPO and one of the reasons we don’t want Myles running it 25% of the time because it eliminates what he does best.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:57 pm to SammyTiger
According to the rant they were read options! Lol
Posted on 10/26/20 at 3:57 pm to CottonWasKing
People like to ignore the run aspect of the RPO but it’s just as importantly
The idea is that you’re creating gap confusions
Usually it’s a linebacker who either has to cover the B gap or cover the WR. If he drops into coverage you now have a defender abandoning his gap. So the play is equally beneficial to the run game.
The idea is that you’re creating gap confusions
Usually it’s a linebacker who either has to cover the B gap or cover the WR. If he drops into coverage you now have a defender abandoning his gap. So the play is equally beneficial to the run game.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:00 pm to CottonWasKing
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The Qb has a read key in the RPO just like a read option. It’s just a different position group. He’s looking for the player responsible for covering the passing lane he wants to go to. That’s usually a linebacker covering a slant. If that linebacker commits to the run the QB hits the slant. If he sits back the QB gives the ball. The linemen are zone run blocking the whole time which is why the decision has to be made pretty much instantly.
Absolutely correct. But there are other, pre-snap reads they could be looking for. It's specific to each play.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 4:01 pm to ibleedprplngld
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Wrong! An RPO, there are 3 options. A quick pass, a handoff to the rb or a qb running it himself.
Come on dude, that's called an RPRO. #facts
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