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Was slavery an important factor in the Civil War?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:45 pm
Did the Confederacy want to keep slavery legal? If so, how can one not see the problem with having a statue celebrating someone that fought for this cause? Also most of these statues were not built right after the war, but rather later during the Civil Rights movement and Jim Crowe in order to send a message that their was a status quo that was going to be maintained. Can people on this board not see how this is problematic?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:46 pm to sabes que
A lot of hate in the world.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:47 pm to sabes que
You're beating a dead horse.
There's nothing wrong with building statues to honor the brave and noble men who declared war against our country and killed our soldiers.
There's nothing wrong with building statues to honor the brave and noble men who declared war against our country and killed our soldiers.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:48 pm to sabes que
It was for the rich farmer. The poor men fought the rich man's war, as is typical.
It was a war about money, first and foremost.
It was a war about money, first and foremost.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:49 pm to sabes que
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Did the Confederacy want to keep slavery legal?
Yes. But the north should have forced the issue with carrot rather than the stick. The stick left too many scars.
Remember, slavery was common around the world at the time. The majority of the world's civilized nations eventually did away with slavery amicably. We could have and should have done it peacefully too.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:49 pm to sabes que
yes.
yes
well because it some peoples ancestor and we all want to be proud of our heritage. It's a shame we're so hellbent on showing the bad parts.
No this board will never understand this because
yes
well because it some peoples ancestor and we all want to be proud of our heritage. It's a shame we're so hellbent on showing the bad parts.
No this board will never understand this because
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:49 pm to sabes que
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Was slavery an important factor in the Civil War
Motherfricker, you been here for TEN damn years. This has been debated about a hundred times. PER YEAR!!!
GO CHOKE ON A STARTS AND BARS..
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:50 pm to sabes que
I describe it like this - slavery was NOT the engine of the Civil War.
But it was the fuel in the tank during that time.
The "engine" was a complex component made up of a lot of regional differences going back to the founding.
Most Confederate soldiers were loyal, patriotic citizens of their states first and the nation second (obviously, something had to give with secession). Likewise, most Union soldiers were loyal, patriotic citizens of the nation first and the Yankees really didn't have (or quickly lost by the early 19th Century) that state identification that Southern residents retained (still do, by and large).
Most Confederate soldiers did not individually fight to preserve that peculiar institution (and, no question, it was an explicit goal of the various secession instruments, but I'm talking about the individual level here). Most Union soldiers did not fight to free slaves and by 21st Century standards, probably 80% of Union troops would be considered white supremacists.
So, the war was paradoxically (and simultaneously) not really about slavery at all, and mainly about slavery.
But it was the fuel in the tank during that time.
The "engine" was a complex component made up of a lot of regional differences going back to the founding.
Most Confederate soldiers were loyal, patriotic citizens of their states first and the nation second (obviously, something had to give with secession). Likewise, most Union soldiers were loyal, patriotic citizens of the nation first and the Yankees really didn't have (or quickly lost by the early 19th Century) that state identification that Southern residents retained (still do, by and large).
Most Confederate soldiers did not individually fight to preserve that peculiar institution (and, no question, it was an explicit goal of the various secession instruments, but I'm talking about the individual level here). Most Union soldiers did not fight to free slaves and by 21st Century standards, probably 80% of Union troops would be considered white supremacists.
So, the war was paradoxically (and simultaneously) not really about slavery at all, and mainly about slavery.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:51 pm to sabes que
I guess this is about the 200th time this thread has been started.
It should be voted on by the people who live in the cities where the statues are located. If they vote to take them down then so be it and if they vote to leave them up they stat.
It should be voted on by the people who live in the cities where the statues are located. If they vote to take them down then so be it and if they vote to leave them up they stat.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:52 pm to sabes que
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Can people on this board not see how this is problematic?
I think most reasonable people can get on board with a City Council or local government deciding certain statues should come down after some public debate.
Where we draw the line is willy nilly destructionism by the mob tearing down statues of the Founders and influencers.
If the Founders must go then so must the founding documents. We all know where this anarchy is going.
Can you not also see how that is problematic?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:53 pm to GumboPot
quote:Almost every western country has abolished slavery by 1865. In France, Denmark, Netherlands, Great Britain, it had been abolished for many years.
Remember slavery was common around the world at that time
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:55 pm to LCA131
I’ve never understood post like this. The thread title is by no means misleading. No one made you click or post in the thread.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:55 pm to sabes que
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Also most of these statues were not built right after the war, but rather later during the Civil Rights movement and Jim Crowe in order to send a message that their was a status quo that was going to be maintained.
The World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C. didn't go up until almost 60 years after the fact.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:56 pm to Mohican
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It was for the rich farmer. The poor men fought the rich man's war, as is typical.
"the poor folks, they go to work or they go to war"
- Cody Jinks, "David"
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:58 pm to sabes que
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Almost every western country has abolished slavery by 1865. In France, Denmark, Netherlands, Great Britain, it had been abolished for many years.
Right. And were great models on how to do it peacefully. But noooooo. We had to go to war.
Pride and arrogance will do that to you.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:02 pm to sabes que
You need to read “The Cornerstone Speech” to gauge what kind of impact the slavery issue had on the civil war.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:04 pm to sabes que
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Did the Confederacy want to keep slavery legal? If so, how can one not see the problem with having a statue celebrating someone that fought for this cause?
Because that isn’t the cause for which most of them fought, all the way up to and including Robert E. Lee, the highest ranking general. To say otherwise is not only provably false, it displays an elemental ignorance of the subject.
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Also most of these statues were not built right after the war, but rather later during the Civil Rights movement and Jim Crowe in order to send a message that their was a status quo that was going to be maintained. Can people on this board not see how this is problematic?
Most were actually built in the early 1900’s, when veterans of the Civil War were dying off, and the statues were erected to memorialize those who fought and died. Congress had long since made the veterans on the Confederate side one and the same with any other veterans. They were considered American soldiers, and their memorials were considered so as well, by law.
Having a problem with it is simply another in a long line of excuses for the complete and utter failure of democrat policies for the black people.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 5:06 pm to sabes que
quote:Take it where this Marxist bullshite is intended.
Did the Confederacy want to keep slavery legal? If so, how can one not see the problem with having a statue celebrating someone that fought for this cause?
How can one stand supporting a Constitution in which the North wanted to designate Blacks as < 3/5ths of a person? The Constitution HAS TO GO!
Yeah Communism!
The "Confederate" narrative crap blew up when Jefferson, Jackson, and Washington were targeted for slavery. The Slavery crap ended when Grant, Lincoln, and Fredrick Douglas were targeted for who knows what. But ultimate Atheistic Communism was unveiled when the Constitution, Jesus Christ and the Saints were targeted.
GTFO with the Confederacy bullshite!
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 5:18 pm
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